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Five mind-blowing facts about what the UK looks like

This country is not full up - or its land taken over by concrete and housing but its for landowners and farming - 73% of land in England is farming by private landowners

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1: What proportion of the whole UK is classified as continuous urban fabric?
A: 0.1%

I am going to guess that was lower than you expected. Continuous urban fabric is actually a very rare land use in the UK. There is another category called discontinuous urban fabric, places where between 50% and 80% of the land surface is built on. Many of our urban areas are greener than you think.

2: What proportion of the UK is classified as discontinuous urban fabric?
A: 5.3%
You are probably suspecting that these figures are missing something, but a variety of different land use data sources come up with broadly the same picture.

3: The local authority with the greatest proportion of land devoted to golf is Woking. How much?
A: 11%
Overall, British golf courses are calculated to cover 1,256 sq km, an area roughly equivalent to the whole of Greater Manchester and, according to some estimates, just a little smaller than all the land covered by housing.

4: How much of the Lake District is lakes?
A: 3%
The psychological impact of a ghastly eyesore or a beautiful natural feature can lead us to assume it is physically bigger on the landscape than detailed mapping will reveal. Visitors to the Lake District National Park will focus on the glory of Windermere and Ullswater stretching into the distance and
imagine the landscape is predominantly lakes.

5: What proportion of the UK is peat bog?
A: 9.4%
Surprising though it may seem, there is almost 100 times as much peat bog in the UK as there is continuous urban fabric. Peat bog covers almost seven times as much land as all Britain's buildings.
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It's like a maths GCSE question where the paper asks you to state why mean average might not be the best type to use to make an evaluation.

Complete sophistry on the OP's part.
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Saw it on the news tonight - really very interesting. Especially in the context of my industry - large scale solar. The nutty Tory back benchers aided and abetted by their friends at the Mail and Telegraph managed to destroy our flourishing industry by claiming we were concreting over the countryside. Turns out solar farms cover less than 0.1% of farm land which itself is around less than 50% of land take and far less than the golf courses mentioned above. Oh and by the way we don't use concrete. Still the lunatics never let facts get in the way.
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Golf courses are largely a waste of space
We don't need so many
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I always thought it looked a bit like a witch in a top hat.
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Having just flown from Los Angeles to Houston Texas for 3.5 hours.... I can vouch that there is nothing down below for 90% of the flight.

Same when you fly into London via the Bristol area.
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Having just flown from Los Angeles to Houston Texas for 3.5 hours.... I can vouch that there is noting down below for 90% of the flight.

Same when you fly into London via the Bristol area.
You shouldn't be doing that sort of thing on a public flight, and as for using the Bristol area to make it happen, well words fail me.
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This isn't really news - has been known for a long time. The BBC themselves did a similar piece in 2012.

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and 2013
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Nonetheless, it is a timely reminder. I worked in social housing for seven years and we'd always get s NIMBYs banging on about how overcrowded the country and how there's no room to build and builders are ruining everything. We did our best to point out the facts but people rarely listened.
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Anyone whos ever been on a plane would know that the vast majority of the country isn't built upon, surely?
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This country is not full up - or its land taken over by concrete and housing but its for landowners and farming - 73% of land in England is farming by private landowners
The problem we have in much of the UK rural areas and villages is this. The land is privately owned, usually by farmers who are ultimately seeking to build a rich pension pot for themselves. In 2013 in North Devon, landowners were asked to put forward proposals for land that they owned for possible future development by the local district council. As most of this land is on and around the fringes of the villages, any future development on this land is going to synthetically enlarge villages that really don't have the infrastructure to sustain a sudden increase in population.

We are a tourist area, and certainly in the case of my own village, there is no great demand from within or outside the village to increase the population in this way. Why? Because there are no local jobs for younger people and they prefer to move out to the towns and cities where there is lots of stuff to do , and where there are schools and jobs, and a decent public transport network.

Today we have a problem in our village. A farmer put forward her own land back in 2013 as a proposal on one end of the village. This is not for the usual one or two infill new builds that we have experienced before, but for up to forty houses. These forty houses will not follow the old Saxon layout but will be in the form of a large block, with a bland national look of meandering roads lined with Barratt style designed houses ending in cul-de-sacs. Each plot will probably cost the developer around £30k each, so the farmer is likely overall to make £1.2 million. Good luck to her, I hear some say, but what happens to the village today consisting of just 100 houses and a population of 200 souls. It will increase the population by half over a period of eighteen months.

Under the development rules, a proportion of these houses will have to be "affordables" for local people, but a small development on the other end of the village also had to have these, and they weren't affordable, as the average income in this neck of the woods is not high enough. When these don't sell, they go on to the open market so anyone outside the village can buy them.

This development proposal is likely to go through and end up being sold as holiday homes or for renting at equally unaffordable levels. Our village character will change for the worse and affect our tourism revenue.

The problem is not insufficient land but what is done with it and where, and at the moment, with poor planning rules, it is only serving a few want to get rich quick landowners to the detriment of everyone else.
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11% of land in Woking devoted to golfing...

Like to know how much they devote to playgrounds?
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This country is not full up - or its land taken over by concrete and housing but its for landowners and farming - 73% of land in England is farming by private landowners

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You've killed your argument before you even start. If we can't grow enough food to feed ourselves we are overcrowded.

The figures given are just silly, I'd like to know how they are worked out. Do they include parks and back gardens, common land, national parks. No one wants to live in the north of Scotland. Steep hillsides are useless except for a few sheep. Are you planning to build on floodplains and peat bogs.

There's nothing wrong with golf. I assume it falls into some category of Tory pursuits.

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I'm not sure what point SE25 is making but I certainly agree with this bit "This development proposal is likely to go through and end up being sold as holiday homes or for renting at equally unaffordable levels". They should be made to pay a heavy price for holiday homes and someone needs to get a grip of BTLers, its just a racket causing poverty.
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You shouldn't be doing that sort of thing on a public flight, and as for using the Bristol area to make it happen, well words fail me.
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Golf courses are largely a waste of space
We don't need so many
they need to be wider IMO given the draw I've developed
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This country is not full up - or its land taken over by concrete and housing but its for landowners and farming - 73% of land in England is farming by private landowners

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1: What proportion of the whole UK is classified as continuous urban fabric?
A: 0.1%

I am going to guess that was lower than you expected. Continuous urban fabric is actually a very rare land use in the UK. There is another category called discontinuous urban fabric, places where between 50% and 80% of the land surface is built on. Many of our urban areas are greener than you think.

2: What proportion of the UK is classified as discontinuous urban fabric?
A: 5.3%
You are probably suspecting that these figures are missing something, but a variety of different land use data sources come up with broadly the same picture.

3: The local authority with the greatest proportion of land devoted to golf is Woking. How much?
A: 11%
Overall, British golf courses are calculated to cover 1,256 sq km, an area roughly equivalent to the whole of Greater Manchester and, according to some estimates, just a little smaller than all the land covered by housing.

4: How much of the Lake District is lakes?
A: 3%
The psychological impact of a ghastly eyesore or a beautiful natural feature can lead us to assume it is physically bigger on the landscape than detailed mapping will reveal. Visitors to the Lake District National Park will focus on the glory of Windermere and Ullswater stretching into the distance and
imagine the landscape is predominantly lakes.

5: What proportion of the UK is peat bog?
A: 9.4%
Surprising though it may seem, there is almost 100 times as much peat bog in the UK as there is continuous urban fabric. Peat bog covers almost seven times as much land as all Britain's buildings.
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