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It's an abject failure, but too much money and too many reputations to stop VAR now.

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I actually don’t agree with that rule. I think if a penalty taker wants to do a bloody fan dance before striking the ball then so be it. Too much advantage given to keepers.
Too much advantage to the keepers?

What?

Not allowed to move off their line for a free shot at their goal until after the ball has been struck. It is only right and fair they should be given a reasonable chance to guess when that is.

Under your suggestion a player you legitimately and legally run up to the ball go to hit it, just miss the ball, wait till the keeper has dived and tuck it in teh other corner.

Farcical.

The law exists it has existed for years, Son's penalty was illegal and was rightly disallowed and he was done for unsporting behaviour!
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What I didn't get, and will admit to not knowing the rules here, but I would have thought the ball was dead until it was struck? Therefore the encroachment and the keeper moving prior to it being struck would make the kick be retaken.

All very silly really, and Son was taking the piss, so no problem with the outcome.

A an aside, if that was Benteke, he would have still kicked it to the side the keeper dived!
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I forgot to add, I don't know why it was a penalty in the first place, as the foul was clearly originally committed outside the box, but continue into the box. Surely the foul should be given at its point of origin, not point of conclusion?
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I forgot to add, I don't know why it was a penalty in the first place, as the foul was clearly originally committed outside the box, but continue into the box. Surely the foul should be given at its point of origin, not point of conclusion?
Apparently the referee should give whatever offence gives the greater advantage to the forward.

"In general, the referee should determine the location of the foul based on what gives the greater benefit to the player who was fouled".

However, they don't seem to do this for free-kicks, they usually seem to be placed where the foul started rather than ended.
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What I didn't get, and will admit to not knowing the rules here, but I would have thought the ball was dead until it was struck? Therefore the encroachment and the keeper moving prior to it being struck would make the kick be retaken.

All very silly really, and Son was taking the piss, so no problem with the outcome.
I thought the same. And Graham Poll in the Mail today says the penalty was fine because the feint (his words..) was during the run up, which is allowed, rather than at the end which isn't.

On the replay it looks as if Son is still moving, albeit slowly, rather than a complete stop.

Says a lot when ex-refs, recently-retired players (Jenas on BT Sport) and current refs all come to a different conclusion.

Looking forward to the World Cup when you've got refs from less-competitive continents refereeing some of the best players with VAR working with or against them all. Exciting stuff.
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VAR to be used in this years World Cup. Let the comedy commence.

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In the FA Cup game on right now, Eriksen plays in Son who shoots and scores. Assistant's flag is up as soon as Son controls the ball so the goalie stops and doesn't really try to save it.

Ref then calls on VAR to check. The offside itself is very close, the BT commentators themselves aren't sure but the VAR keeps it as offside. Fine..

..but, if they'd overturned it, would they have given a goal? The goalie could have saved it (we'll never know). Everyone says play to the whistle but you see a flag up and players automatically stop. Would it have been more sensible to keep the flag down knowing that any goal would be reviewed anyway? at least then both attack and defence remain competitive.
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In the FA Cup game on right now, Eriksen plays in Son who shoots and scores. Assistant's flag is up as soon as Son controls the ball so the goalie stops and doesn't really try to save it.

Ref then calls on VAR to check. The offside itself is very close, the BT commentators themselves aren't sure but the VAR keeps it as offside. Fine..

..but, if they'd overturned it, would they have given a goal? The goalie could have saved it (we'll never know). Everyone says play to the whistle but you see a flag up and players automatically stop. Would it have been more sensible to keep the flag down knowing that any goal would be reviewed anyway? at least then both attack and defence remain competitive.
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In the FA Cup game on right now, Eriksen plays in Son who shoots and scores. Assistant's flag is up as soon as Son controls the ball so the goalie stops and doesn't really try to save it.

Ref then calls on VAR to check. The offside itself is very close, the BT commentators themselves aren't sure but the VAR keeps it as offside. Fine..

..but, if they'd overturned it, would they have given a goal? The goalie could have saved it (we'll never know). Everyone says play to the whistle but you see a flag up and players automatically stop. Would it have been more sensible to keep the flag down knowing that any goal would be reviewed anyway? at least then both attack and defence remain competitive.
Then you may as well get rid of the refs and links and play the game with VaR only
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In the FA Cup game on right now, Eriksen plays in Son who shoots and scores. Assistant's flag is up as soon as Son controls the ball so the goalie stops and doesn't really try to save it.

Ref then calls on VAR to check. The offside itself is very close, the BT commentators themselves aren't sure but the VAR keeps it as offside. Fine..

..but, if they'd overturned it, would they have given a goal? The goalie could have saved it (we'll never know). Everyone says play to the whistle but you see a flag up and players automatically stop. Would it have been more sensible to keep the flag down knowing that any goal would be reviewed anyway? at least then both attack and defence remain competitive.
I think as rare as this is. If it’s here to stay it will drive a change in the way people play. Less appealing for the offside and standing still, less stopping when the flag goes up etc. Which is really how it should be anyway.
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In the FA Cup game on right now, Eriksen plays in Son who shoots and scores. Assistant's flag is up as soon as Son controls the ball so the goalie stops and doesn't really try to save it.

Ref then calls on VAR to check. The offside itself is very close, the BT commentators themselves aren't sure but the VAR keeps it as offside. Fine..

..but, if they'd overturned it, would they have given a goal? The goalie could have saved it (we'll never know). Everyone says play to the whistle but you see a flag up and players automatically stop. Would it have been more sensible to keep the flag down knowing that any goal would be reviewed anyway? at least then both attack and defence remain competitive.
Every player at every level is taught the first basic rule of football 'play to the whistle'. No whistle the ball is still active. Worse scenario would be if the Lino flags and the ref blows the whistle only to find out that the player was onside.
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I think as rare as this is. If it’s here to stay it will drive a change in the way people play. Less appealing for the offside and standing still, less stopping when the flag goes up etc. Which is really how it should be anyway.

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Every player at every level is taught the first basic rule of football 'play to the whistle'. No whistle the ball is still active. Worse scenario would be if the Lino flags and the ref blows the whistle only to find out that the player was onside.
They are taught that, but they don't do it. It will have to force a change, either in that they always play on or the assistants are instructed to keep the flag down because goals will always be reviewed. Whichever of the two is easier - you'd think players doing what they were taught on day one of playing football, but here they are as professionals and internationals and they don't do it often enough.
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VAR is clear as mud in my humble opinion
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Complete farce with VAR in Germany tonight. A VAR decision awarded a penalty after the HT whistle had gone, apparently most players were back in the changing room. They were then called back to the pitch.

And to follow that the second half has had to be delayed due to a toilet roll protest against Monday night games.
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Complete farce with VAR in Germany tonight. A VAR decision awarded a penalty after the HT whistle had gone, apparently most players were back in the changing room. They were then called back to the pitch.

And to follow that the second half has had to be delayed due to a toilet roll protest against Monday night games.
It has been a travesty everywhere it has been used. Seen some very questionable calls and non calls in Germany this season.

I can see the idea behind using it. But it really shouldn't be as difficult to implement as everyone seems to be making it.
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it really shouldn't be as difficult to implement as everyone seems to be making it.
you can always count on football authorities to get it wrong.
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Was the decision by VAR right or wrong? Was it a clear error? Sounds a bizarre situation.
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