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Old 20-08-2013, 11:29 AM
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Yep. Can't believe so many are so quick to criticise the lad on the back of his first Premier league appearance where he basically played out of position. Baffling. Almost like some fans want certain players to fail so they have something to bitch about.
You do have to wonder if Holloway is going to play the guy on the wing all season, then what was the point in buying him. On MOTD2, they showed the places on the pitch Gayle touched the ball on Sunday, only once in the penalty box.

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You do have to wonder if Holloway is going to play the guy on the wing all season, then what was the point in buying him. One MOTD2, they showed the places on the pitch Gayle touched the ball on Sunday, only once in the penalty box.
Why do you wonder that? The lad is a striker. He has been bought as such. We have lost Zaha. Bolasie & Thomas are injured. Grandin not match fit so Holloway has had to tinker and try and utilise his pace in a wide position. Could have played him up top and put Wilbs wider but that would have been even less effective.
People questioning if Holloway has bought Gayle as a winger is like saying we have bought Chamakh, Campana & Marange just to sit on the bench if we are just basing it on Sundays starting line up.
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Why do you wonder that?
Because Ollie only plays with 1 up front and Gayle would work best in a 442 or 352 system.
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Old 20-08-2013, 11:44 AM
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Why do you wonder that? The lad is a striker. He has been bought as such. We have lost Zaha. Bolasie & Thomas are injured. Grandin not match fit so Holloway has had to tinker and try and utilise his pace in a wide position. Could have played him up top and put Wilbs wider but that would have been even less effective.
People questioning if Holloway has bought Gayle as a winger is like saying we have bought Chamakh, Campana & Marange just to sit on the bench if we are just basing it on Sundays starting line up.
We will see, but against Lazio when we did have wingers available, he played on the wing too. We are obviously going to play 4-3-3 at home this season. Obviously we still await the away formation, but probably the same with the wingers defending even more. Gayle will be a winger this season.
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You do have to wonder if Holloway is going to play the guy on the wing all season, then what was the point in buying him. On MOTD2, they showed the places on the pitch Gayle touched the ball on Sunday, only once in the penalty box.
That was completely misleading as as already been said he was playing out of position, too deep and ddin't see enough of the ball in areas where he could use his ability.

That said I thought he looked very sharp and composed on the ball. When he pushed forward more in the last half an hour it looked very promising - Chamakh almost played him in, there were a couple of good runs made and he was wide open when Sir Kev decided to have a go from the edge of the box (would have done better to play him in)...

I think there will be lots to come from Dwight Gayle.....
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Because Ollie only plays with 1 up front and Gayle would work best in a 442 or 352 system.
So because that was how he played last year then that's the only way we are gonna play this year?
So, when all fit, we have Wilbs, Murray, Chamakh, Gayle & Phillips but Ollie wont budge from 1 up top?
So because, with the 3 out and out wide players we currently have are crocked he will only ever play a striker with such massive potential on the wing?
So you know that Gayle works better as a 2 man front line but Holloway doesn't know this?
So you really don't think when all are fit and firing there will be some intention to play Chamakh and Gayle together??



At the end of the day, Gayle is still learning his trade and because he has pace and we have a few square pegs in round holes at the mo, he will fill in where he is needed. We have played one game, nothing is set in stone.
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That was completely misleading as as already been said he was playing out of position, too deep and ddin't see enough of the ball in areas where he could use his ability.

That said I thought he looked very sharp and composed on the ball. When he pushed forward more in the last half an hour it looked very promising - Chamakh almost played him in, there were a couple of good runs made and he was wide open when Sir Kev decided to have a go from the edge of the box (would have done better to play him in)...

I think there will be lots to come from Dwight Gayle.....
Obviously! How is it misleading? The statistic was backing up, that being played where he is, Gayle will not get enough attempts at goal, which he was signed to do or what we believed he was signed to do.
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We will see, but against Lazio when we did have wingers available, he played on the wing too. We are obviously going to play 4-3-3 at home this season. Obviously we still await the away formation, but probably the same with the wingers defending even more. Gayle will be a winger this season.
Wilbs played on the wing at Crawley. Does that mean hes gonna be a winger this season?

You don't think that if we had (for argument sake) Thomas fit Saturday, he would have been in Gayle's postion and Gayle in Wilbs????? Crikey, there are some cracking managers on here.
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Old 20-08-2013, 12:07 PM
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Wilbs played on the wing at Crawley. Does that mean hes gonna be a winger this season?

You don't think that if we had (for argument sake) Thomas fit Saturday, he would have been in Gayle's postion and Gayle in Wilbs????? Crikey, there are some cracking managers on here.
I'm not sure. But I tell you this we are playing 433 and Charmak will be leading the line, who plays on the wing....Gayle and Thomas/Bolasie
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I'm not sure. But I tell you this we are playing 433 and Charmak will be leading the line, who plays on the wing....Gayle and Thomas/Bolasie
So you know the tactics and personnel we are gonna play in every game? Blimey, your good.
There was me thinking our manager may have more than just one plan. Lets hope other teams don't read these boards or our secrets out eh?
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Yep. Can't believe so many are so quick to criticise the lad on the back of his first Premier league appearance where he basically played out of position. Baffling. Almost like some fans want certain players to fail so they have something to bitch about.
I dont think anyone is having a go, simply saying he did not have a good game, which he did not. I find the manager's decision where to play him entirely baffling.

We'll need a whole lot more games to see how Gayle does. He is a gamble, one I think it was right to take, but it is very unclear how that gamble will pan out. However, surely no point in pretending he did well when he was hardly in the game.
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I dont think anyone is having a go, simply saying he did not have a good game, which he did not. I find the manager's decision where to play him entirely baffling.

We'll need a whole lot more games to see how Gayle does. He is a gamble, one I think it was right to take, but it is very unclear how that gamble will pan out. However, surely no point in pretending he did well when he was hardly in the game.
I would like to see him play up top. We all would and he will. Don't think he was as bad Sun as some make out though.

However, to suggest where the manager played him was 'baffling' I cant agree with. Our wide players were injured. Gayle has pace to burn. He had Wilbs & Chamakh to play the role of targetman to try and put themselves about. With what Holloway had available, you can see why he did it even if you don't agree.

Not suggesting anyone pretends he played well but young lad, first game of season, Prem, out of position, debut, big crowd, live on Sky? Cut the lad a bit of slack.
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So you know the tactics and personnel we are gonna play in every game? Blimey, your good.
There was me thinking our manager may have more than just one plan. Lets hope other teams don't read these boards or our secrets out eh?
That all you got? We will see Radders, let's have this conversation in a month and you will see that I'm right and Gayle is played on the wing.
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Obviously! How is it misleading? The statistic was backing up, that being played where he is, Gayle will not get enough attempts at goal, which he was signed to do or what we believed he was signed to do.
Because of the context it was being used - i.e. they were trying to demonstrate that because our back four were dropping to the 18 yard box a big gap was created to the the front men who did not see the ball in the opposition penalty box.

Now part of that may be true, however clearly the strategy for the 1st hour was to leave Wilbraham up front on his own, play deep, shut Spurs down quickly, keep as many players behind the ball as possible and keep the game tight.

Dwight was deployed in midfield in this system so I think that it is unfair and not representative to single him out as an example in the way they did as clearly he was never going to get in the Spurs box as often as he would as a 2nd striker. Had he actually been up front the whole game then fair enough, but he wasn't.
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That all you got? We will see Radders, let's have this conversation in a month and you will see that I'm right and Gayle is played on the wing.
All I've got? Is not pointing out that your talking like you run the club and the team enough? Jesus wept.
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All I've got? Is not pointing out that your talking like you run the club and the team enough? Jesus wept.
Not at all, like others have stated, it's pretty obvious Gayle will be playing on the wing, and we will have one main striker (with Gayle not being that one main striker). If that's tactics then Jez wept Glad you're not the tactician, more an observation.
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That all you got? We will see Radders, let's have this conversation in a month and you will see that I'm right and Gayle is played on the wing.

We will soon see. But if Holloway persists with playing him on the wing and doesn't see what we're expecting of him, particularly with the fee we paid he will go up top. I for one think he will struggle badly playing out wide or in the deeper role Holloway had him in. He's too raw and untried to mix him about in other positions yet.

And besides, if the rumours are true that we're in for another winger I'm sure that means he's looking to use Gayle up top.

I personally think it will be Chamakh playing just off Gayle once we have two proper wingers fit.
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Not at all, like others have stated, it's pretty obvious Gayle will be playing on the wing, and we will have one main striker (with Gayle not being that one main striker). If that's tactics then Jez wept Glad you're not the tactician, more an observation.
What the f**k are you on about?

So just to clarify, you and a couple of others because of one league game and a couple of friendlies think that our 4/5 million (or whatever) striker has been bought to play on the wing? Even though we have 3 wingers at the club, 2 of which we have just bought, along with being linked with tons of other wingers?
Its necessity not tactics which see him played there. With your obvious tactical genius, surprised you haven't spotted that.
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We're not going to play with wingers.

As in not in a front 4 or not a front 3 or neither? Gotta be doing something with wingers/wide players because we have 3 and may be in the market for more innit!?
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