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Old 21-04-2017, 02:58 PM
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The whole point about these newspapers is they contain a mix of views. Their job is to report strikes not to support or not to support them.
The Guardian and Independent have editorials supporting things all the time. They have never supported a strike.

Which is no surprise. Middle class do gooders tend not to. They prefer to make themselves feel better through charities and NGO. They like someone to hold out their hand in gratitude rather than have solidarity.
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Old 21-04-2017, 03:00 PM
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EWMG has a good memory for this stuff, but there was a mainstream socialist national paper published in the late 80s. Might have been weekly. Buggered if I can remember what it was called. I bought it a few times and liked it but that was because it chimed with my views at the time.

It didn't sell and closed down.

I think many on here overstate the influence of the written press. The Sun supported Blair in 97 because they just cynically wanted to be seen to back the winner.

Odious though they are, the Mail and the Express follow the odious views of their readership. It's a bit circular I admit but they seem to feed each other.

Kidofwonder often comes on here and posts links to websites that he's sought out that reflect his views. I don't blame him. We all do that. It's just that those views are not popular enough to sustain a print newspaper.
I could be wrong though, but I think advertising is far more important than sales money. Some newspapers, such as The Metro and Evening Standard, only have advertising money.

Socialist newspapers will never get this money in any significance.

However I agree with the poster that the left could make far more use of you tube and social media generally.
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Old 21-04-2017, 03:03 PM
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I could be wrong though, but I think advertising is far more important than sales money. .
I think broadsheets make more from advertising, while tabloids from cover price.

But why wouldn't any high circulation paper (socialist or otherwise) have advertisers beating a path to their door? The truth is, your views are just not popular enough to sustain a large readership.
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McCluskey wins the Unite election - good for Corbyn
Just 12% bothered to vote and he got half of these. There is almost a case for the Tories to put up a candidate for UNITE leader
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Old 21-04-2017, 03:19 PM
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Just 12% bothered to vote and he got half of these. There is almost a case for the Tories to put up a candidate for UNITE leader
They pretty much did in Coyne
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Old 21-04-2017, 03:20 PM
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4m is peanuts is setting up a newspaper and then running it. There are very few rich socialists and even fewer prepared to pile it in to a newspaper.

The Guardian is a liberal paper and anti-strikes. The Mirror is left social democratic at most, not socialist. I didn't say you have to be a rich conservative. Why do you insist in making things up?

Anyway the point remains there are no mainstream newspapers supporting socialist ideas. And very few broadcasters put anything out supporting those ideas. Despite socialist ideas being significant in the population. So it's harder for socialist leaders.

Are we going around in circles enough?
What are you banging on about?

So there are no mainstream newspapers supporting socialist ideas and this makes Corbyn's job harder?

Do you think you might be kidding yourself a bit here?

Do you think maybe the reason nobody supports these ideas is because they are shit ideas that have never been implemented successfully anywhere in the world ever?

Unless of course you mean established ideas such as the NHS or welfare- which are supported all over the mainstream media??

The problem with socialism is that it doesn't work- and most people grow out of their socialist phase by their mid twenties once they've made peace with the system and come to accept that for all its faults, consumer capitalism works.

There are no newspapers that are a cover to cover socialism wankfest- because the only people that would read them would be you, a handful of students and Jeremy Corbyn.
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Old 21-04-2017, 03:21 PM
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I think broadsheets make more from advertising, while tabloids from cover price.

But why wouldn't any high circulation paper (socialist or otherwise) have advertisers beating a path to their door? The truth is, your views are just not popular enough to sustain a large readership.
Exactly.
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Old 21-04-2017, 03:22 PM
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Anyway the point remains there are no mainstream newspapers supporting socialist ideas.
And the point remains that there is nothing stopping one being set up.

To avoid going round in circles, could you answer my questions on what it is you're suggesting should happen?
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Old 21-04-2017, 03:25 PM
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What are you banging on about?

So there are no mainstream newspapers supporting socialist ideas and this makes Corbyn's job harder?

Do you think you might be kidding yourself a bit here?

Do you think maybe the reason nobody supports these ideas is because they are shit ideas that have never been implemented successfully anywhere in the world ever?

Unless of course you mean established ideas such as the NHS or welfare- which are supported all over the mainstream media??

The problem with socialism is that it doesn't work- and most people grow out of their socialist phase by their mid twenties once they've made peace with the system and come to accept that for all its faults, consumer capitalism works.

There are no newspapers that are a cover to cover socialism wankfest- because the only people that would read them would be you, a handful of students and Jeremy Corbyn.
What are you banging on about

Are you really saying "no one" supports socialist ideas. Clearly not the case is it. In polls some ideas are supported by the majority, many by a significant minority. As you say some socialist ideas, such as the NHS, are already there. Although under massive attack from the Tories.

All I'm saying is that lack of media support, and indeed a very hostile media, makes a socialist leader's job much harder.

As for the rest of your post. Blah, blah, blah.
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And the point remains that there is nothing stopping one being set up.

To avoid going round in circles, could you answer my questions on what it is you're suggesting should happen?
Around we go. Yes there is. Money. It's a massive barrier.

And no, I won't answer your questions.
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Why?
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Because I don't want to. You're so pedantic it just goes round and round in circles. I forget what you've even asked in the end
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when was the last time a new successful major media organisation was set up, that wasn't a conglomerate of existing organisations?
Look anyone can do it. You want to set up the equivalent of Fox News? You could do it tomorrow.

You want to have the equivalent of The Daily Mail? You could do it from a garden shed.
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Just what you think should happen. We currently have a free press, dominated by right-wing views. You think there needs to be (or should be) a balancing socialist paper to cater for the sizable minority who share these views, but amongst which there is not enough manpower/money/luck/etc to get a new newspaper off the ground.

Is it that you think there is a role for the state, either in supporting the set up of a socialist paper, or limiting the number of right-wing ones, or regulating opinions, or none of that?
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