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Old 10-07-2016, 10:51 AM
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It seems that whoever created the rules couldn't conceive of a situation where a party leader who did not have the support of a minimum number of MPs would be so stubborn, so ideologically determined, to cling on without caring that it would split the party. They obviously didn't bank on Jeremy Corbyn.
Exactly.

The rules are not clear on the ballot. For the challenging scenario is a new sentence it very clearly says that ANY nomination requires 20% of MPs and MEPs. So this then gets us to the scenario as to whether the incumbent needs to be nominated.

Now where else in the rules does it say you can get on to a ballot without being nominated.
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Old 10-07-2016, 10:55 AM
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If Eagle is leader she'd poll less than Ed M at a general election.
Well at least that's something she has in common with Corbyn!

Seriously though, I'm sure Eagle is just a stalking horse - Owen Smith or even someone as yet unmentioned seems more likely.
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Old 10-07-2016, 11:01 AM
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In that case let them put up a better candidate and try to win fairly.
I hope better candidates do emerge. But just wanted to set this talk of a PLP 'coup' into context. Their power is acknowledged even in this new system by having candidates need the support of a minimum level of PLP.
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Corbyn talking proudly about how the Labour Party has so many more members than the Conservatives always makes me think of Brighton fans banging on about attendances after their latest drubbing.
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'Far Left', quick becoming a catch-all term for anyone who disagree with men's-Liberal economics
"Men's"? Please elaborate.

Also see "Blairite" "Red-Tory" "Tory-lite"

Frankly I think if you're ideologically supportive of people like Maduro and give speeches to crowds waving Stalin banners, far-left is significantly more appropriate than being called a Tory for thinking that's a bit off.
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It should be all three. Hence the need to be nominated by MPs in the first place. The biggest mistake was the idiots who leant Jeremy their nomination in the the first place.

The far left took advantage of the rules, certainly not the spirit of them to hijack the Labour Party. If the moderates use a technicality I the rules to take it back then I don't really see how the far left can claim foul.
Does that not mean that the left do not feel they have a party that represents them?

Labours issue is that they have a large number of members on the left and most of their MPs in the centre. There is a move in Eagles constituency to pass no confidence in her and replace her I believe as she doesn't represent local voters.
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Well at least that's something she has in common with Corbyn!

Seriously though, I'm sure Eagle is just a stalking horse - Owen Smith or even someone as yet unmentioned seems more likely.
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Old 10-07-2016, 11:08 AM
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Corbyn talking proudly about how the Labour Party has so many more members than the Conservatives always makes me think of Brighton fans banging on about attendances after their latest drubbing.
He's definitely driven the recent surge, though half of those are people wanting to get rid and the other half are a reaction to that campaign.

Most normal people aren't members of political parties. Which I suppose means we've only got ourselves to blame for all this.
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Does that not mean that the left do not feel they have a party that represents them?
If the left want to sacrifice electability for a 'purer' left-wing ideology, they are fully entitled to support the SWP or similar.

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There is a move in Eagles constituency to pass no confidence in her and replace her I believe as she doesn't represent local voters.
Angela Eagle won 26,000 votes in the last election. In her Wallasey CLP, there were 40 votes in favour of Corbyn, 4 abstentions. To say that someone with 26000 votes from the public, doesn't represent local voters because 40 members voted against her is a microcosm of the narrative being pushed by the Corbynistas.
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Or Benn maybe?
He said he wouldn't stand just after he was sacked, but would love him to change his mind.
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If the left want to sacrifice electability for a 'purer' left-wing ideology, they are fully entitled to support the SWP or similar.



Angela Eagle won 26,000 votes in the last election. In her Wallasey CLP, there were 40 votes in favour of Corbyn, 4 abstentions. To say that someone with 26000 votes from the public, doesn't represent local voters because 40 members voted against her is a microcosm of the narrative being pushed by the Corbynistas.
The argument is that 26000 people voted left and the Labour Party represented as far left as they could realistically get. I guess what we may find out in the months and years ahead is how far left people want to vote if the Labour Party splits.
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The argument is that 26000 people voted left and the Labour Party represented as far left as they could realistically get.
That's the problem. Most voters care that the person they vote might actually getting elected, so they can, you know, do stuff.

Unlike Corbyn's Labour, which is far more concerned with taking over the party, than winning elections:

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Look, calling her a kipper licker was a tad over the top. And as far as I am concerned, I have apologised for that. But it does not alter the reality that for the Labour party to have a leadership contest with this lady stepping forward as the replacement for Corbyn is beyond belief with her sexuality as part of her general unsuitability as leader.

Labour are facing utter collapse. They have lost Scotland and the North of England is now looking shaky as well.

This is not the time for them to show how trendy and right on they are by having a Lesbian leading them. In fact that mindset as to why so many of you are getting high and mighty about my comments, is also a major factor in why Labour are in the shit.

And they are deep, deep, deep in the brown and smelly stuff. Never doubt that for a single second.

You little soc.libs need to realise that this is no longer about you. If you ever want the Tories to be voted out of Government then you need to start actually focusing on the reality of British real-politic as opposed to this ludicrous soft-focus bubble you all seem to float around it.
Why do you think that the public won't accept a lesbian as leader or P.M.? The Scottish Tories' leader is a lesbian, and they seem to be doing better under her.
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That's the problem. Most voters care that the person they vote might actually getting elected, so they can, you know, do stuff.

Unlike Corbyn's Labour, which is far more concerned with taking over the party, than winning elections:

Should show that to the buck-passing Cameron
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Why do you think that the public won't accept a lesbian as leader or P.M.? The Scottish Tories' leader is a lesbian, and they seem to be doing better under her.

The Scotch are not going to elected the Tories into Government. People vote Tory in Scotland for primarily Unionist supporting reasons and it is more a protest vote than anybody seriously thinking that they could win up there. Essentially it is job that nobody really cares about and means very little, in the greater scheme of things.

But a Lesbian as Prime Minister of this country? And a Labour one? Forget it. Never going to happen for a variety of reasons. Perhaps a good looking one might get out some more interest but not this one.

And if she was married with 5 kids, she would still be a lousy choice for PM. Her sexuality is merely another part of her unsuitability.
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The Scotch are not going to elected the Tories into Government. People vote Tory in Scotland for primarily Unionist supporting reasons and it is more a protest vote than anybody seriously thinking that they could win up there. Essentially it is job that nobody really cares about and means very little, in the greater scheme of things.

But a Lesbian as Prime Minister of this country? And a Labour one? Forget it. Never going to happen for a variety of reasons. Perhaps a good looking one might get out some more interest but not this one.

And if she was married with 5 kids, she would still be a lousy choice for PM. Her sexuality is merely another part of her unsuitability.
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I rarely troll. And not on here. Or do you think this woman is a credible candidate? Seriously?
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The Andrew Neil programme on BBC One ... just seen it, and I think I can see what you mean. I heard her on Five Live and I thought she came across better on the radio
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