Germans courts say it is wrong to circumcise children.

[BringBackSasa]

Speak of the devil...

[ExiledStirling]

Originally Posted by BringBackSasa

Bombs, immigration, burqas, paedo rings, beards, the smell.....bugger, that flowed just a little too easy. I need a little lie down. But circumcision barely registers.

So the BNP/EDL ascertain that circumcision is not a good target to go for but think all the ones on your list are?

I also meant to say that what I quoted from the site that has been discredited (I will except it has for the purposes of this post) was only published stats , from published research from Dr Wiswell and research done by the World Health Organisation study in 2007. So not propaganda; it is propaganda to suggest it was.

[BringBackSasa]

Originally Posted by ExiledStirling

So the BNP/EDL ascertain that circumcision is not a good target to go for but think all the ones on your list are?

I also meant to say that what I quoted from the site that has been discredited (I will except it has for the purposes of this post) was only published stats , from published research from Dr Wiswell and research done by the World Health Organisation study in 2007. So not propaganda; it is propaganda to suggest it was.

No, I said they would come up before circumcision. You disagree? Really?

Wiswell is another well-known hack, hence being linked from the hack site you're getting your propaganda from.

http://www.circumstitions.com/Utis.html

[se1eagle]

Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle

As per ES already pointed out many have it done for non religious reasons in the States it remains the majority where still over 50% of males undergo the operation.

Yes, although it has fallen by a few % every year since the American Pediatric Society said that it did not recommend routine infant circumcision.

Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle

In response to your other comments do you actual understand that the operation actual removes nothing but removing some excessive skin its not about chopping the top end of the penis

Excessive skin? The foreskin has a function - to protect the head of the penis. It is highly sensitive, full of nerve endings unlike hair or fingernails, and hurts like buggery when it is cut. Do you consider earlobes to be excessive skin?

Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle

Coming to your final paragraph we watch parents stuff their children full of fatty food damaging their health we watch parents smoke around their children and to bring it back we let them choose to have abortions legally of what could be a viable human infant. We inject vaccines we stuff them with drugs knowing in some cases side affects are possible but balance the risks to the benefits. On the scale of things the issue of male circumcision is pretty small and with a debate still on its potential health benefits the reactions to me remain OTT

I think a child has the right to keep his body intact, until he is old enough to decide if he wants it done.

Making a balanced decision based on your child's medical health is one thing - making it based on your religious beliefs is something else entirely. Is there one respected medical organisation that actually recommends routine infant male circumcision, in countries without a HIV epidemic?

[ExiledStirling]

Originally Posted by BringBackSasa

No, I said they would come up before circumcision. You disagree? Really?

Wiswell is another well-known hack, hence being linked from the hack site you're getting your propaganda from.

http://www.circumstitions.com/Utis.html

I am not an expert on the EDL/BNP like you are so have no idea how they order their attacks on Muslims. If they are not already, hope they are using your expertise.

As for Dr Wiswell. Firstly your credibility to me is under question so pointing me to a site which counters his research, tells me that one is indulging in propaganda and one in fact. You pointing me in the direction of the one that you want me to believe is dealing in fact, is forcing me in the other direction.

[BringBackSasa]

Then why make the moot point that they could use circumcision? It’s like saying Jews could hate Hitler for his moustache.

If you choose to only read stuff which supports your parents’ decision to circumcise you, I can’t help you.

Wiswell’s report being discredited in boring detail:

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/

[ExiledStirling]

Originally Posted by BringBackSasa

Then why make the moot point that they could use circumcision? It’s like saying Jews could hate Hitler for his moustache.

If you choose to only read stuff which supports your parents’ decision to circumcise you, I can’t help you.

Wiswell’s report being discredited in boring detail:

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/

Just to restate, I came to this with an open mind, and little interest. I simply thought words like barbaric and multilation were ridiculous when describing this procedure. I am yet to be convinced that those words are inappropriate, though am still open to it. However it will need someone who is not a tactical analyst for far right groups to achieve it.

I used to find you at times funny, at times a little chippy, and at times knowledgeable. I now find you a total irrelevance.

[BringBackSasa]

“Tactical analyst for far right groups”!

You were the one putting words into the BNP’s mouth about circumcision. Then when I corrected you, you have a go at me for knowing more than you about what words are in the BNP’s mouth. You're worse than Maz and his 'lunches'.

I used to find you at times funny, at times a little chippy, and sometimes I couldn’t find you at all because you’d flounced like a little girl.

[BringBackSasa]

More to the point, why are you even trying to establish a link between anti-circumcision and racism? Reminds me of Fox News always bringing-up communism with Obama. Plant that seed.

[saxoneagle]

Anyone cutting anything from my kids without permission will find themselves on the end of a legal suit...

[ExiledStirling]

Originally Posted by BringBackSasa

More to the point, why are you even trying to establish a link between anti-circumcision and racism? Reminds me of Fox News always bringing-up communism with Obama. Plant that seed.

Once again misrepresentation.

YOu are well aware why I brought it up... but just for you here is what I wrote regarding this and the reason;

se1eagle wrote;

'Circumcision, however, is very simple - we're talking about a human being having part of its body surgically removed for religious reasons, without consent.'

A clear reference to religion being a reason for this practice.

So I responded with;

'30% of the global male population have been circumcised (approx 660 mil). Of this figure 30% are for non religious reasons. so though it is the majority, a sizable minority exists worldwide where religion has had no bearing on the decision by the parents.

I feel this is important to point out, as people can use this to justify and peddle their underlying religious bigotry.'

In a later post I stated;

'However some people with an agenda could you use circumcision for propanganda purposes for a bit of muslim bashing (seeing as Muslims constitute over 2/3 of those that have been circumcised), hence my post to show it is not just a religious practice.'

Think this answers your question, but seeing as you already knew that this was the answer, from now on forgive me for ignoring any further questions you have, which I deem do not actually require a response.

[BringBackSasa]

You’ve just proved that you were the first to link anti-circumcision and bigotry. Cheers.

Are you auditioning to be my researcher or something? I must warn you, the pay is shit, but there will be treats.

[mrgins]

[quote=BringBackSasa]Then why make the moot point that they could use circumcision? It’s like saying Jews could hate Hitler for his moustache.

/QUOTE]
Well, actually...

[mrgins]

Originally Posted by BringBackSasa

“Tactical analyst for far right groups”!

You were the one putting words into the BNP’s mouth about circumcision. Then when I corrected you, you have a go at me for knowing more than you about what words are in the BNP’s mouth. You're worse than Maz and his 'lunches'.

I used to find you at times funny, at times a little chippy, and sometimes I couldn’t find you at all because you’d flounced like a little girl.

Well there goes your nomination for funniest poster