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Old 10-12-2015, 02:05 PM
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gotta love republicans coming up with this stimatising or taking action against astate is rather different then proposing actions agaist people who follow a specific religion.
Yep. They really should read the First Amendment.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:14 PM
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Trump and Katie Hopkins having a twitter love in so he must be a good 'un (not)
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People throwing their dummy out about Trump.

Clearly he is tapping into a feeling that many share in the US that Muslims are the enemy. This is pure electioneering of course but he is smart enough to see that it is his best chance of nomination.
It is purely a not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims message. Many would agree and it is fascinating to see how our news, especially ITV report this story. I have rarely seen such obvious prejudice in reporting. The same with the Tyson Fury story. This smacks of the new power of identity politics

It seems that nowadays, if you express an opinion outside of the accepted "correct" range, even mainstream news condemns you as a loon. This is very bad for democracy and quickly approaching Orwell world. Even if you deplore the statements of Trump or Fury or anyone, surely we must recognise their right to hold these beliefs, genuinely or not, even if they are, in some cases, bonkers.
It seems that we are becoming very selective about what bonkers beliefs we tolerate these days.
We do, which is why they were reported (free media and all that). However we're not obliged to agree so this freedom extends to the right to hold different views and to criticise.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:48 PM
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gotta love republicans coming up with this stigmatising or taking action against a state which is rather different then proposing actions agaist people who follow a specific religion.
I see, its all in the nuance. I was illustrating that actions and rhetoric like Trump's are not without precedence. We have a long and proud history or protectionism.

We jailed the Japanese and persecuted our German immigrants during world war 2 as a further example. I don't think we took in any refugees during that time either, though I have met a German whose father spent time in a pow camp in Pennsylvania during the war.

Anyway, when dealing with a angry bunch like ISIS, who come from different nationalities, including the U.S. and England, how does one ban sympathisers of an international organization.

There is a common denominator that your typically simple person can understand and politicians can't speak above a high school level because it confuses the electorate.

Look, I know there are tons of Muslims working with and within the us government and are a great asset to our population. Anyone mature enough in their faith knows that this whole mid east fiasco has little to do with religion.

But, it is a political year and politicians will say what they think they must to win. I don't pay attention to much of it because whatever they say before the get elected turns out to be bullshit anyway.

Anyway, I'm glad he's keeping you entertained.
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:11 PM
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we do recognise their right to hold and more important voice those views. Similarly we are within our rights to call them out for being bonkers.

How has trump or breagle been stopped from voicing their views?
It's not that they are stopped, as yet, but how it is reported.
The television news should not be taking a view on peoples opinions. They should report news in a matter of fact style. There is enough politicised reporting out there already.
We cannot have identity prejudice and editorial comment creeping into our "official" news regardless of what it is they are reporting.
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:19 PM
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It's not that they are stopped, as yet, but how it is reported.
The television news should not be taking a view on peoples opinions. They should report news in a matter of fact style. There is enough politicised reporting out there already.
We cannot have identity prejudice and editorial comment creeping into our "official" news regardless of what it is they are reporting.
FFS "official" news bollocks
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:23 PM
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FFS "official" news bollocks
So if I understand you eloquent post correctly, you think that ITN news is not "official" ?
It is for a large chunk of the public I suspect.
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:28 PM
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So if I understand you eloquent post correctly, you think that ITN news is not "official" ?
It is for a large chunk of the public I suspect.
why on earth would a company part owned by the daily mail be perceived as "offical"? maybe to the Katie Hopkins and Donal Trump's of this world
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:33 PM
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why on earth would a company part owned by the daily mail be perceived as "offical"? maybe to the Katie Hopkins and Donal Trump's of this world
It's public perception, not reality that matters.

Most people are not sophisticated enough to discern between straight reporting and politicised crap.

Not all are so enlightened as you and I Weltklasse.
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Probably because most news is, was, and will always be politicised crap?
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Probably because most news is, was, and will always be politicised crap?
True to some extent since some personal bias is almost unavoidable, but I believe it has become far more pronounced in recent years in the UK.
I know in the States this is nothing new.
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So if I understand you eloquent post correctly, you think that ITN news is not "official" ?
It is for a large chunk of the public I suspect.
Do you mean, like when the BBC refers to "left wing Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn"?
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Do you mean, like when the BBC refers to "left wing Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn"?
Well no. He is left wing is he not ?

it would be more like, "Jeremy Corbyn today made more outragous claims about the Prime Minister which, predictably, have offended loads of people. What is his problem ?"

That's about the level ITN have reached with reporting.
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Grim that Hopkins has waded in, which makes me think this is nothing than a huge PR exercise, concocted and executed in a organised way.

Can we have some new news, please.
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Grim that Hopkins has waded in, which makes me think this is nothing than a huge PR exercise, concocted and executed in a organised way.

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