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Old 09-07-2016, 11:52 AM
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Within 30 minutes we find out Corbyn facing a fight with an Eagle (announces it Monday) and a vote on Trident on the 18th July....
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Old 09-07-2016, 11:53 AM
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By the end of the year Labour needs a firm view on Trident, HS2, an airport runway and all the issues around Brexit. If Corbyn stays then he won't be able to build a strong enough team. If he is kicked out his supporters will tear the party apart.
To late Cameron just announced vote on July 18th on Trident
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Now announced Angela Eagle will stand.

Some might say the lesser of two Eagles, or even the lezzer of two Eagles
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Old 09-07-2016, 11:57 AM
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Corbyn will announce a free vote for Labour MPs on trident. It's his only option. If he pushes for a reject trident, he could well lose union support, for his position, in which case he's done.
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To late Cameron just announced vote on July 18th on Trident
That seems rather political of Cameron. He's leaving Brexit and the new runway for his successor to determine but not Trident?
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Old 09-07-2016, 12:21 PM
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Post-Brexit we won't need a new runway.
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Surely Labour would stand a better chance with Owen Smith going up against Corbyn? It doesn't make a lot of sense for him to stand as well as Eagle, providing Corbyn's on the ballot - but if he's not then there'd need to be two candidates to even have a contest.
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Old 09-07-2016, 12:24 PM
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Post-Brexit we won't need a new runway.
IF indeed we do need one now we will need one after Brexit. Immigration won't reduce but will be from different countries (probably). Free trade agreements with India, China, New Zealand etc will change trade patterns long term (probably). Our population will still increase by 20m (probably) in the next four decades even if there is a short term economic downturn.
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That seems rather political of Cameron. He's leaving Brexit and the new runway for his successor to determine but not Trident?
Really...... Corbyn should follow the manifesto and the last the democratic vote of the members and vote for Trident.
Now I dont expect him too and the fact Cameron is forcing a vote right now in a time when Labour is fighting internally and I have no doubt the Torys will be using it against Labour.
Corbyn cannot whip the vote he has lost the PLP has to give a free vote with that ensured despite opposition with the SNP and on the Tory benches there is only one result.
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Old 09-07-2016, 12:36 PM
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Corbyn will announce a free vote for Labour MPs on trident. It's his only option. If he pushes for a reject trident, he could well lose union support, for his position, in which case he's done.
He has to really doesn't he. Cameron is playing political chess by the looks of it, having already fecked and divided the country to further his partys ends.
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All I know about Angela:

She was the subject of Cameron's famous 'calm down dear!' comment
Her twin sister is also a Labour MP and has the same hairstyle
She is very good at chess
She has a great surname
She cries easily in interviews
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It would be good to have an Eagle as prime minister one day I guess.
True but I'd rather it was Chuka.
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Interesting that Watson says he felt progress was made with the Unions prior to engaging with Corbyn which sort of suggests a softening of the Union support for Corbyn come what may. Also, some petty points scoring going on up at the Miners Gala in Durham where MPs who haven't backed Corbyn have had their invites to any official event withdrawn with JC and Dennis Skinner on the platform. This seemingly includes the local MP who now cannot address her constituents? Think that is correct. Which sort of shows that the Corbyn wing care more for his supporters than they do for Joe Blogs the voter who elects their MPs.

Also, presumably once Eagle formally announces the bid, the next step is whether Corbyn has to be PLP nominated to be on the ballot, which Kinnock had to be when Benn, backed by Corbyn, stood against him, as he reminded folk this week.

There was also a Momentum rally this week where their "leadership" and Diane Abbott stated that anyone who voted for the war in Iraq 13 years ago, should be barred from leading the party.
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All I know about Angela:

She was the subject of Cameron's famous 'calm down dear!' comment
Her twin sister is also a Labour MP and has the same hairstyle
She is very good at chess
She has a great surname
She cries easily in interviews
She voted for the Iraq war
She voted against an investigation into the war
She set up her leadership website 2 days before Benn was sacked
She said Corbyn had been campaigning amazingly in the referendum
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There's no way Eagle will beat Corbyn with him on the ballot. I'm fully prepared for some kind of shenanigans
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Eagle makes Corbyn look almost Presidential.

And she is a Lesbian. Lets not beat around the bush here, the UK is not ready for a kipper licker as PM.

If Labour need to get back its socially conservative traditional working class vote, then this is not the way to do it no matter how much you want to virtue signal about how right on and trendy you are.

In fact, just the ludicrous fact that she is up in the frame to stand for Prime Minister tells you how far out of touch the entire Labour party really is from the reality on the ground.
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She voted for the Iraq war
She voted against an investigation into the war
She set up her leadership website 2 days before Benn was sacked
She said Corbyn had been campaigning amazingly in the referendum
She is way out of her depth . Was hopeless in tv debates - has this habit of shouting and never able to answer questions .
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