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Old 01-05-2012, 12:10 PM
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Zaha and Scannell would not be Wright and Bright - it would be Wright and Wright. It's rare for a partnership of two little guys (and that doesn't mean short) works at our level. Wright and Bright, AJ and Shipps even going back to Woodruff and Jackson, big guy allowing little guy to thrive. Zaha and Scannell have done well against full backs playing wide, but through the middle against cb I think they'd be out-muscled too often.
Clearly they would not form a little and big partnership. Sean has developed his strength significantly however (perhaps at the expense of a yard of pace), and whilst he would struggle to compete in the air against centre-backs, would not be out-muscled on the floor. I meant they could be a Wright and Bright in the sense of two young mates playing together, and forming a real rapport with the fans.

Would just like to see it given a go, as I think it could surprise a few people. This could also just be blind hope, reflecting the fact that I am always desperate for our homegrown to succeed with us.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:23 PM
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Clearly they would not form a little and big partnership. Sean has developed his strength significantly however (perhaps at the expense of a yard of pace), and whilst he would struggle to compete in the air against centre-backs, would not be out-muscled on the floor. I meant they could be a Wright and Bright in the sense of two young mates playing together, and forming a real rapport with the fans.

Would just like to see it given a go, as I think it could surprise a few people. This could also just be blind hope, reflecting the fact that I am always desperate for our homegrown to succeed with us.
It interesting how people think of Wright and Bright - they were both older than either Zaha and Scannell whe they met up at Palace (23 and 24). I'd never see them as "young mates". Doesn't mean what you say isn't valid - but I've never thought of it like that.
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Big Scanz move on? Behave, we need him for wha the does off the pitch as much as on it. Plus he is siiiiiiiiick.
Sadly, i think until he sorts himself out off the pitch he has little chance of improving on it.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:54 PM
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Wilf needs to work on his finishing but I think next season is the time to play him up front. The second half of the season the opposition worked out how to play him and often doubled up which reduced his effectiveness. If he played up front then he'd have a free reign to go where he wants and make us less predictable as an attacking threat.

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Old 01-05-2012, 03:39 PM
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Time for Wilf to play up-front centrally, and Big Scanz to move on....unfortunately
Can't Murray (28 year old, ex-Brighton, spent most of his career in the non league, scored 6/7 goals playing upfront all season) move on instead of a 21 year old academy graduate who has IMO shown more this season, playing out on the wing for the majority of it, than Murray.
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:41 PM
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Can't Murray (28 year old, ex-Brighton, spent most of his career in the non league, scored 6/7 goals playing upfront all season) move on instead of a 21 year old academy graduate who has IMO shown more this season, playing out on the wing for the majority of it, than Murray.

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Seeing as Murray is "Premiership Quality", the second ? would be him.

...Is what I would like to see. At-least pre season.
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Who plays on the wing then?
Bring in Paul Anderson on a free from Forest, and sign a left winger (Keith Treacy would be cheap).
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Why is it 'WOW'. He really isn't that good, just like Lee wasn't very good. What is the obsession with rating really average big men. Neither of them were anywhere near Shipperley's level so I don't want to hear that comparison. I want to react to the idea of Scannel moving on as 'Wow' but it seems to be becoming some sort of strange consensus on here that he is not good enough. Similar to the one that made people think Leigertwood was shit, when he is actually better than any DM we currently have.

Of Murray's career goals 41 have been in non-league football (31%), he has scored 6 in 38 appearances this season playing up front, is that good enough for Palace fans? Not to mention the fact he is 28 years old and will not improve.

2002–2004 Workington Reds 43 (25)
2004 Wilmington Hammerheads 12 (7)
2004 Barrow 9 (9)
2004–2007 Carlisle United 47 (5)
2006 → Stockport County (loan) 11 (3)
2006–2007 → Rochdale (loan) 12 (4)
2007–2008 Rochdale 42 (21)
2008–2011 Brighton & Hove Albion 118 (53)
2011- Crystal Palace 38 (6)

Not exactly a great CV is it? He doesn't win a lot in the air, he is slow, he doesn't get in goal scoring positions (due to poor movement) even when the ball is whipped in. Give me an ageing 33 year old Morrison any day.
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Can't Murray (28 year old, ex-Brighton, spent most of his career in the non league, scored 6/7 goals playing upfront all season) move on instead of a 21 year old academy graduate who has IMO shown more this season, playing out on the wing for the majority of it, than Murray.
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Can't Murray (28 year old, ex-Brighton, spent most of his career in the non league, scored 6/7 goals playing upfront all season) move on instead of a 21 year old academy graduate who has IMO shown more this season, playing out on the wing for the majority of it, than Murray.

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I'm speechless.
Why, Murray isn't very good, im speechless that people think he is the answer. Why does he get to use the excuse of Dougie's negative tactics for his poor form, but Scannell doesn't? Very strange.
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Really Akinbiyi scored 136 FOOTBALL LEAGUE goals, Murray has 92 (of which only 6 have been scored in the second tier). I don't even think Akinbiyi is good, just didn't like the stick he got at the time, something which Murray has yet to recieve despite being equally dire.
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Why, Murray isn't very good, im speechless that people think he is the answer. Why does he get to use the excuse of Dougie's negative tactics for his poor form, but Scannell doesn't? Very strange.
Murray had a 1-in-2 goal ratio for the Weeds, which is very impressive. He's clearly a good striker.
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Really Akinbiyi scored 136 FOOTBALL LEAGUE goals, Murray has 92 (of which only 6 have been scored in the second tier). I don't even think Akinbiyi is good, just didn't like the stick he got at the time, something which Murray has yet to recieve despite being equally dire.
All very true. I think you are going in a bit negatively on Murray but it is interesting how many people won't have a bad word said against him when he has a lot to prove.
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Zaha and Scannell would not be Wright and Bright - it would be Wright and Wright. It's rare for a partnership of two little guys (and that doesn't mean short) works at our level. Wright and Bright, AJ and Shipps even going back to Woodruff and Jackson, big guy allowing little guy to thrive. Zaha and Scannell have done well against full backs playing wide, but through the middle against cb I think they'd be out-muscled too often.
Freedman and Dyer
Freedman and Morrison

Both partnerships, incidentally, ruined when the then manager decided to break them up by bringing in a big guy (Shipperley and Akinbiyi).
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A good thing about Zaha playing upfront is it would make us very flexible. When he has played there is has dropped into the hole and pulled defences around everywhere. Sort of like a more flexible 4-4-2 or cross between a 4-4-2 and a 4-2-3-1.

I thought he was superb first half on saturday and gave our forward line energy like we have rarely seen all season.
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Originally Posted by stevek
Freedman and Dyer
Freedman and Morrison
Exactly...

Different times, obviously, but Forest won the old 1st Division playing Tony Woodcock and Garry Birtles up front - both of them were small and nippy rather than big and good in the air...

Also, Aguero and Tevez anyone?

Scannell has proved that with the right balls played to him he can play up front and score goals. Same for Wilf over the last couple of games. I think they probably both need to bulk up a bit if they're going to play a whole season up front, but as part of a squad then why not?
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