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Old 13-04-2018, 01:33 PM
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If the Council sees a whacking great profit they may be inclined to try and get more benefit out of the planning grant and more obligations in the S106 agreement.

Conversely if there is a big loss the Council may be worried that having granted permission that the club will then try and back out of the obligations that there are.
Very good point.
And if the club can’t file its accounts on time, the council may think it doesn’t bode well for its ability to manage a multi million pound construction scheme.
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If the Council sees a whacking great profit they may be inclined to try and get more benefit out of the planning grant and more obligations in the S106 agreement.

Conversely if there is a big loss the Council may be worried that having granted permission that the club will then try and back out of the obligations that there are.

Similar with Berkeley Homes building Kidbrooke Village. They put in an application to build some addictional multi storey tower blocks and pleaded that without them the development wouldn't be financially viable. Two months later they post record profits and grant multi million bonuses to their bosses.

In our case the Council has to recognise that this is a one-off gain and that football clubs do not make big profits. The question is can the club afford it and will It he built. The answer is yes as all shareholders are committed.
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Reading the Swiss Ramble's (@SwissRamble) analysis threads on twitter, it would appear that just about every club in the Premier League last season made a profit due to the vast increases in revenue due to the first year of the new TV deal. For Palace, this meant an extra £20m in turnover. However, we bought about £90m worth of players last season, which will make it difficult to turn in a profit, even though we sold about £40m of players as well. With rising wages as we looked to improve the squad, plus the cost of getting rid of Pardew and his team, and of hiring BFS and his team. The Accounts will make interesting reading when they are published and will hopefully help to explain why the club has not splashed the cash in the transfer market this season.
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Reading the Swiss Ramble's (@SwissRamble) analysis threads on twitter, it would appear that just about every club in the Premier League last season made a profit due to the vast increases in revenue due to the first year of the new TV deal. For Palace, this meant an extra £20m in turnover. However, we bought about £90m worth of players last season, which will make it difficult to turn in a profit, even though we sold about £40m of players as well. With rising wages as we looked to improve the squad, plus the cost of getting rid of Pardew and his team, and of hiring BFS and his team. The Accounts will make interesting reading when they are published and will hopefully help to explain why the club has not splashed the cash in the transfer market this season.
Difficult to estimate what impact the £90m of players will make on the books as the fees are amortised over the length of the contract (even if the fee is paid up front in one go). E.g. a £10m player on a 4 year contract will look like a £2.5m fee per year for the 4 years (excluding wages). If the average is 3 years (probably conservative), then it will probably look like an increase in players amortisation on £30m (which is a lot) but with over £40m in sales will look better.

Also part of the reason for not splashing big money is the FFP restrictions on wages. As revenues didn't go up much between 16/17 and 17/18 we can't raise wage total much either (can't remember what the % allowed is).

Even though we 'haven't splashed the cash', we still spent £25m on Sakho, £8m on Riedewald, £7m on Sorloth. Not insignificant by any means. Riedewald and Sorloth would have been on relatively low wages I imagine. Sakho

Look forward to seeing the accounts, slightly concerned over the delay!
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Old 20-04-2018, 08:42 AM
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Well Deloittes must have some idea as they have announced that all 20 clubs made an operating profit in the 2016/17 season. However, two didn't make a pre-tax profit.
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Just had a look at their rich list of clubs published in January. They have Palace revenues of £164m compared to the turnover figure of £102m in the 2016 accounts. Presumably the two are the same.
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Can't believe these are nearly a month late now, the fine will be £375 on Tuesday
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Worth paying £375 to not tell our rivals about our financial health
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Expecting a break even or a relatively small profit or loss as per. No big signings and no big transfer fees received. Wages will be higher because of Sam's acquisitions.

Think the accounts will only diverge from roughly break even when work on the stand starts or relegation.

SP is a good housekeeper tbf and any money wasted has been dosh we can afford to lose.
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Almost certainly will be filed late.

The fine is peanuts for big companies. It should be a % of turnover.
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They could be waiting for the planning decision for the stadium. Though I’m not sure why. It wouldn’t affect the accounts, the most they could do would be to add a note saying what the decision was.
Yes it could as it could be seen as a contingent liability
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Did the club just decide to not bother?
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Expecting a break even or a relatively small profit or loss as per. No big signings and no big transfer fees received. Wages will be higher because of Sam's acquisitions.

Think the accounts will only diverge from roughly break even when work on the stand starts or relegation.

SP is a good housekeeper tbf and any money wasted has been dosh we can afford to lose.
Cost of the new stand will go to the balance sheet as it is (hopefully) constructing an asset. Hopefully the income from the asset will exceed the annual depreciation when it is finally opened
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Expecting a break even or a relatively small profit or loss as per. No big signings and no big transfer fees received. Wages will be higher because of Sam's acquisitions.

Think the accounts will only diverge from roughly break even when work on the stand starts or relegation.

SP is a good housekeeper tbf and any money wasted has been dosh we can afford to lose.
No big signings eh? Luka, Schlupp, Sakho and PVA cost us £60 million or so. Pretty big to me.
Then Wilf got a new deal and the wage bill In general is massive for a club or size.

We're in decent shape but it's the Sky money that runs the club
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Sakho wasn't signed until August. Benteke however, does fit into this accounting period.
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No big signings eh? Luka, Schlupp, Sakho and PVA cost us £60 million or so. Pretty big to me.
Then Wilf got a new deal and the wage bill In general is massive for a club or size.

We're in decent shape but it's the Sky money that runs the club
Transfer fees are recognised as a cost over length of contract signed.
So if they all joined on 3 year deals then the £60m cost would hit the accounts as £20m per year for each of the next 3 years.
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