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I think Leicester are on paper weaker than all 3 teams that were promoted last season.
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They are winning the Championship at a canter. I know that doesn't always count for everything when teams ger into the Premier League, but they surely look stronger than we were this time last year?
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Not a chance.

Cardiff last year won the title but at no point really did they string together a series of brilliant performances. They relied on scraping narrow, often lucky wins. So it's not a massive surprise that they are struggling this year, when compounded with off the field issues.

Hull were about as good as Cardiff last year but had to invest very heavily to get to where they are now - they spent 27m this season.

We were extremely poor in the run up to the play-offs. Not sure anyone expected anyone bar Zaha (albeit for another team), Ward and Jedinak to comprehensively make the step up. The players as it turns out, have coped well and been helped by Pulis' setup, but I really don't think the likes of Delaney, Dikgacoi, Bolasie etc are clear Premier League players. They're decent Championship players playing above themselves.

Would expect Leicester to end up comfortably mid-table next season, around 13th-14th or so, perhaps higher.



You can, sort of, predict how well a team will do based off historical info. We know for example, how many less points/GD a team has upon promotion, on average. Obviously there will be fluctuations around these numbers but on average you can use it as a good predictor.

I don't think promoted team performance is really as random as people assume. The thing about all those title winners who faltered the following year, is that they often were getting very lucky in their promotion season. Reading of two years ago were often getting outplayed but getting lucky wins. Same for Cardiff last year. When Derby went up they weren't very good at all, again, scraping together fortunate wins. They all ran out of luck the next season. The QPR side you mention wasn't much to do with the players of the prior season but the awful transfer strategy the following years.

Leicester have stormed the league not just by getting results but by having performances befitting of their results as well, unlike the likes of Reading and Cardiff. That's why I'd be very surprised if they do anywhere near as badly as those sides did.
I'm basing my assessment of their likely success next year on the quality of their current squad (which I'm sure there'll improve). At present I don't think their squad is better than the one we were promoted with or Cardiff's but perhaps is on par with Hull.
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I'm basing my assessment of their likely success next year on the quality of their current squad (which I'm sure there'll improve). At present I don't think their squad is better than the one we were promoted with or Cardiff's but perhaps is on par with Hull.
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Players like Nugent,Dyer, Konchesky, Schmeichel and St Ledger are not good enough for the Premiership. Some have been there before and not been any good.

I would doubt Vardy's ability to step up to this league, considering the slow start he had in the Championship.
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You say that, Sam Vokes ruptured his ligaments on the weekend and is out for several months. Danny Ings is still injured.

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I think Vokes is very average tbh! I was talking about Ings!

And if Burnley sacked Dyche (in response to palacea), I'd talk with Pulis to get him in as he's a top quality, young manager.
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Players like Nugent,Dyer, Konchesky, Schmeichel and St Ledger are not good enough for the Premiership. Some have been there before and not been any good.

I would doubt Vardy's ability to step up to this league, considering the slow start he had in the Championship.
Very judgmental on other teams players.

I doubt anyone outside Palace fans thought that Delaney, Gabbidon, KG were good enough to step up. Others would've said the same about Speroni, Ward and Bolasie, all had doubts around them.

It's pretty obvious that Leicester are a very good team, you don't win the league by that much otherwise.
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I think Vokes is very average tbh! I was talking about Ings!

And if Burnley sacked Dyche (in response to palacea), I'd talk with Pulis to get him in as he's a top quality, young manager.
Paul, do you really think Dyche would take a number 2 position with his reputation so high at the moment? Can't see it tbh.
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Paul, do you really think Dyche would take a number 2 position with his reputation so high at the moment? Can't see it tbh.
I'd bet on Dyche's star falling rapidly next season. Victim of his own success/over achievement this season and the club's (understandable) desperation to stay in the PL. His career might be defined by his next job.
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Waiting on a price for Leicester to stay up. Anything over 2.0 is good value for me.
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People forget lie-Chester have been spending oodles year on year for years now, since before Sven was there. They broke the bank for the likes of Nugent and Morgan(?) and Vardy.

It's ironic that only after blowing it last year and consolidating with what they've got (which is a lot, expensively assembled over yeas) this year that it's finally come right for them.

It's a world away from the Palace story of promotion, down to graft, home grown talent and astute low budget signings. It's more like Cardiffs 10m to fuel promotion albeit more of a slow burner.

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Don't like it when a team who spends a shed load of money are promoted. Hopefully they'll suffer the same fate as Cardiff.
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Players like Nugent,Dyer, Konchesky, Schmeichel and St Ledger are not good enough for the Premiership. Some have been there before and not been any good.

I would doubt Vardy's ability to step up to this league, considering the slow start he had in the Championship.
St Ledger doesn't even play. Dyer has been excellent this season but has been usurped recently by Mahrez who looks class, far above the likes of Bolasie.

As Paul points out, you'd be surprised at the level of player who can at least appear competent if not entirely comfortably at Prem level. Not like this Palace side is full of top quality players, Ward+Chamakh aside.
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People forget lie-Chester have been spending oodles year on year for years now, since before Sven was there. They broke the bank for the likes of Nugent and Morgan(?) and Vardy.

It's ironic that only after blowing it last year and consolidating with what they've got (which is a lot, expensively assembled over yeas) this year that it's finally come right for them.

It's a world away from the Palace story of promotion, down to graft, home grown talent and astute low budget signings. It's more like Cardiffs 10m to fuel promotion albeit more of a slow burner.

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Very judgmental on other teams players.

I doubt anyone outside Palace fans thought that Delaney, Gabbidon, KG were good enough to step up. Others would've said the same about Speroni, Ward and Bolasie, all had doubts around them.

It's pretty obvious that Leicester are a very good team, you don't win the league by that much otherwise.
That's the point of the thread.

None of those Leicester players will make a big impact at this level. No doubt in the summer they'll be chucking money around buying even more strikers.

How many Strikers do they have? About Eight?

I think they've been lucky that the teams from last season that just missed out haven't strengthened and the teams that came down are faltering.

In my opinion the Championship is as bad as it's been for years. Are Burnley and Derby really that good?
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That's the point of the thread.

None of those Leicester players will make a big impact at this level. No doubt in the summer they'll be chucking money around buying even more strikers.

How many Strikers do they have? About Eight?

I think they've been lucky that the teams from last season that just missed out haven't strengthened and the teams that came down are faltering.

In my opinion the Championship is as bad as it's been for years. Are Burnley and Derby really that good?
Just like DD / DG / YB / JW etc etc etc ?
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