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Old 24-10-2016, 09:48 PM
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Poll on ITV news tonight has the gap between staying and leaving at just 1%. The trouble is that same poll has 58% thinking that May is doing a good job, when she actually hasn't done anything yet. Ho hum.
Remember the awful mess you got in re polls pre vote?? Seems like only yesterday you failed miserably with your poll posting. Wouldve thought you wouldve learnt your lesson by now?
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Old 24-10-2016, 09:59 PM
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Scotland voted to stay in the union but 2 years ago. The conservatives and labour sold them unity by saying that voting in was the only was to stay in the EU. They now have justification for a second referendum because their self determination has been trampled on and continues to be trampled on.

The Good Friday agreement explicitly allows free movement between n Ireland and the republic of people and goods without customs check or visa requirements. It is explicit that the border is open and anyone can cross it at any time. Family can visit each other.
Upon departure from the single market/customs union this is impossible. A border must be erected to monitor goods in order to custom check them and origin check them. Id checks will be mandatory to ensure that no 19 year old refugees sneak accross or a nasty polish labourer does not cross over. This means the Good Friday agreement is over 18 years after it's inception. It was negotiated on a table where hundreds of years of blood had soaked into it.

The Good Friday agreement maintains a very nervy peace.

Sorry but your vote, unless you are dan Hannan and want to stay in the single market, was a vote that has put a bomb under the peace process.
Of course you are assuming that there will be no agreement with the Republic over trade and borders. Nobody knows where we all will be in 2019, the EU may no longer be around or if it is in a very different form
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:02 PM
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Poll on ITV news tonight has the gap between staying and leaving at just 1%. The trouble is that same poll has 58% thinking that May is doing a good job, when she actually hasn't done anything yet. Ho hum.
Isn't not doing anything the best you can hope for from a politician? It is when they start doing things that the problems start.
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Of course you are assuming that there will be no agreement with the Republic over trade and borders. Nobody knows where we all will be in 2019, the EU may no longer be around or if it is in a very different form
Percy.

1: we cannot negotiate customs borders with the republic who are in the EU. It's an EU thing.

2: seriously - jeaopordise the peace agreement on a whim and hope that the EU does not exist in two years. I am glad you value the peace so highly. Still while there may be bombs there won't be as many poles.

Glad you have thought this through so carefully or do you just not give a damn about the northern irish?
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Poll on ITV news tonight has the gap between staying and leaving at just 1%. The trouble is that same poll has 58% thinking that May is doing a good job, when she actually hasn't done anything yet. Ho hum.
Interesting, but that ship has sailed. Must be a slow news day at ITN. Also May appears to be doing a good job keeping out of the papers. After the media whore premierships of Blair and Cameron, I'm cool with her focusing on governing rather than her media image.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:51 PM
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Why should 17 million people be held hostage by a few hundred nutters?
Wow. Held hostage? Who is holding who hostage? Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to remain. 7 million people live in those countries. Dim people (sorry I had to do it) do not understand that when you forcibly remove a nation from a political union that has allowed peace through an agreement after hundreds of years of war who is holding who hostage?

Read a book dim. Why did the uk send troops to Northern Ireland? Who were they sent to protect?
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:53 PM
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Why should 17 million people be held hostage by a few hundred nutters?
And to be fair why should 15.8 million people be held hostage by 17 million people who voted to leave. A vote which did not express the terms of departure.
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Old 25-10-2016, 12:24 AM
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Power was devolved from the very beginning. Read again the Act of Union.
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I would like to know too. Seems a strange change of direction. Then again maybe he is making it up.
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Interesting, but that ship has sailed. Must be a slow news day at ITN. Also May appears to be doing a good job keeping out of the papers. After the media whore premierships of Blair and Cameron, I'm cool with her focusing on governing rather than her media image.
Focussing on governing, or trying to hide as much as possible as the reality of the situation sinks in.
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My point was: that the people of the Irelands have had nearly 20 years of relative peace is down to their behaviours and not the EU. Indeed, my recollection was that Clinton was influential in the agreement.

If the people of the six counties would prefer a united Ireland, the GFA is and has always been set up to allow a referendum on that question, which could have occurred any time since the GFA and could occur at any time in the future irrespective of the outcome of the Brexit referendum.

That there are a few hundred people on both extremes who would seek to prevent any change at the point of a gun should not prevent the UK leaving the EU.

It might precipitate the referendum anticipated by the GFA and the outcome of that might be a few hundred unionists taking up arms. But surely they should accept the will of the people.

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Just tax expensive houses in London and elsewhere and use the money to build more housing. Give the mayor powers to amend council tax. Give pay rises to scaffolders, bricklayers, roofers and plasterers and force the construction industry to train young people. The economy needs to be switched from house price speculation to building homes. Actually, if people are worried about their jobs elsewhere and they are physically robust they should be given training grants to work on the sites.
We can do this now that we're free from the shackles of the EU who were definitely stopping this.
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The EU put a stop to house building, training, tax increases and wage increases? Amazing eh lol

It's good that the UK has gone from the EU this Tory government can do what it likes :/

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My point was that the people of the Irelands have had nearly 20 years of relative peace is down to their behaviours and not the EU. Indeed, my recollection was that Clinton was influential in the agreement.

If the people of the six counties would prefer a united Ireland the GFA is and has always been set up for to allow a referendum on that question, which could have occurred any time since the GFA and could occur at any time in the future irrespective of the outcome of the Brexit referendum.

That there are a few hundred people on both extremes who would seek to prevent any change at the point of a gun should not prevent the UK leaving the EU.

It might precipitate the referendum anticipated by the GFA and the outcome of that might be a few hundred unionists taking up arms. But surely they should accept the will of the people.
1: it is not the eu that has kept the peace. It is the behavior of the people and the terms of the peace. Departing the eu coincidentally destroys the terms. I know it is convenient to ignore that.

2: so unlike wallolia Northern Ireland and Scotland have no rights in this democratic union. In your opinion if they don't like the will of The three brexiteers and dogtanion they need to leave this union. 2 nations without the say of parliament can just **** off so that we can claim to have an odd notion of sovereignty that appears on face value to be anything but. Does this make sense to you? Was it just the poles after all?

3: if you read a book you might understand that the republic have no particular desire for a united ireland. Unionists - loyal citizens of the U.K., many of whom have served the armed forces of the U.K. Do not want to change the current set up. Most Catholics are relqxed about the current set up. You clearly do not give a shit though - as far as you are concerned if in order to maintain peace n Ireland need to leave then they should **** off. Lovely.
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