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Old 22-07-2016, 09:57 AM
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Not all legal experts agree with that. Another reason for the Government's delay might be that it is trying to get some clarity on this. What we won't want is to have A50 treated as full departure and the only way back being under A49 because that means joining under new rules including long term commitment to the Euro.
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Old 22-07-2016, 10:03 AM
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Wow - way to spin a story by the Daily Mail. House prices up by over 10% is the headline.

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That covers the year to the end of June which includes the spike caused by the chancellor giving BTL owners a period to get property before the Stamp duty rate went up which did cause a big jump in prices. The really relevant figures for Brexit will not start coming in until about September and the ones above have nothing to do with it.
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Old 22-07-2016, 10:20 AM
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Wow - way to spin a story by the Daily Mail. House prices up by over 10% is the headline.

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That covers the year to the end of June which includes the spike caused by the chancellor giving BTL owners a period to get property before the Stamp duty rate went up which did cause a big jump in prices. The really relevant figures for Brexit will not start coming in until about September and the ones above have nothing to do with it.
The Daily Express managed to spin it that house prices rose 10% last month.
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Old 22-07-2016, 10:22 AM
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Those figures as they play out are going to hammer the UK economy towards the end of this year and onwards if the BoE cant turn it around. Should start to slow down migration tho.

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Old 22-07-2016, 10:23 AM
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I suppose the only positive to come out of the PM's visit to Europe is that the UK border remains on French soil. Maybe the French are keeping it in reserve as a negotiating position.
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I was sort of thinking that we wouldn't be in the EU and things might actually change but never mind
But they will still be in the EU. That is the point.
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Old 22-07-2016, 11:00 AM
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We have a huge amount of wealth on offer and we're a major market so why won't any EU country do a deal?
Because they can't, for ****'s sake. Germany is part of a collective, it doesn't make unilateral deals with other European countries. We will be able to complete WTO trade deals with countries outside of the Eu, but will have to negotiate with the EU, not individual nations if we want a comprehensive deal with our former partners. It will cost us money, very likely more than we pay into the EU at the moment and the EU will insist on free movement of EU citizens as part of that deal.
Why can't you get your head around this?

If we go for the 'Canadian Option', the likelihood is that it will take anything up to five years to negotiate. What the f*ck is going to happen to our economy in that period? We also need to negotiate with another dozen worldwide trading blocks and over a 150 other national governments. We don't have enough negotiators, so will be largely depending on buying in foreign expertise. Still, on the bright side, sh*t loads of work for lawyers.

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Old 22-07-2016, 11:03 AM
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When A50 is kicked off, everything is up for grabs it has to be. If free movement of people is on the agenda, which is the cornerstone of the EU rules individual trade deals in relative terms might be possible in the future (if the EU wants to survive this).
Blimey, that's grasping at straws. Doesn't seem to be much of a strategy going forward. Or, in short, you are pissing in the wind.
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Old 22-07-2016, 11:08 AM
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The Daily Express managed to spin it that house prices rose 10% last month.
I thought that leaving would mean more affordable housing......
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Old 22-07-2016, 11:11 AM
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Old 22-07-2016, 11:19 AM
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It astonishes me still how little brexiters understand what they voted for.
And we're dealing with the intelligent end - Gor Blimey is a top manager, for instance.
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Old 22-07-2016, 11:20 AM
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Because they can't, for ****'s sake. Germany is part on a collective, it doesn't make unilateral deals with other European countries. We will be able to complete WTO trade deals with countries outside of the Eu, but will have to negotiate with the EU, not individual nations if we want a comprehensive deal with our former partners. It will cost us money, very likely more than we pay into the EU at the moment and the EU will insist on free movement of EU citizens as part of that deal.
Why can't you get your head around this?
It's because he's a ******* idiot. He and his ilk havebeen repeatedly told but they are in a dreamland utopia, unfortunately that isn't reality though.

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Old 22-07-2016, 11:25 AM
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Pretty clear that in the immediate aftermath of the shock result there was a pretty sharp drop in confidence across business and consumers and a lot of firms and individuals would have put things on hold. Hardly surprising given the doom and gloom from the property industry and the City. This will show up very badly in the stats at some stage BUT the stock market is doing well, the housing market hasn't fallen off a cliff, the mortgage market hasn't completely frozen like in 2008 and according to today's Property Week money is starting to trickle back into the commercial property funds. Mark Carney is playing this well and the bank has clearly learned lessons from 2008. As long as we don't talk ourselves into recession then we should be okay once the current crop of stats work there way through the system. If there is a downturn then the government must protect vulnerable workers as best they can.
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Change. We voted for change and was happy to sacrifice some things. The same way you voted to remain as you were scared of change and were happy to turn a blind eye to the things you currently aren't happy with.
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Change. We voted for change and was happy to sacrifice some things.
You will certainly get the sacrifices, and yes that will result in change. What seems to be the case is that a lot of people thought that they would only get change, as is clear from this thread
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I wasn't happy with the current set up so being offered a chance of change was the only option. It's now up to the government to give it it's best shot to offer as good an alternative as possible. If that means the country is going to end up third world like every remainer is suggesting then don't blame the leavers. Blame Cameron for giving the choice.
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I wasn't happy with the current set up so being offered a chance of change was the only option. It's now up to the government to give it it's best shot to offer as good an alternative as possible. If that means the country is going to end up third world like every remainer is suggesting then don't blame the leavers. Blame Cameron for giving the choice.
Don't blame the people who voted for it, many of whom don't appear to have thought this through?
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Brexit supporters are furious that people keep pointing out that the things they were told would happen if we voted to leave the EU are now actually happening.

In a week in which the IMF cut the UK’s 2017 growth forecast by 0.9% and economic activity dropped to its lowest level since 2009, Brexiters are furious they are being asked to take a cursory look at the news.

“I don’t need to look at the news because we won and you need to get over it”, claimed Brexiter Graham Williams.

“Things are only getting worse because you keep saying they’re getting worse – there is no other possible explanation for it! Things don’t get worse because of the underlying economic conditions; they get worse because people keep talking about it on social media!

“I don’t care if this is almost exactly what the experts said would happen if we voted to leave the EU; experts don’t know anything!

“You’re all just a bunch of whiney losers reading reports and economic indicators because you don’t like that you lost, you big fat losers!”

However, some Brexit supporters have said their own economic indicators show we’re doing just fine thank you very much.

“The FTSE is doing ok, that’s the real British economy!” claimed one, seemingly oblivious to the fact that FTSE 100 is about as British a Lamb Biriyani.

“You can use figures to prove anything; look, I’ve just written on this paper that the UK is better off outside the EU, so there.

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Change. We voted for change and was happy to sacrifice some things. The same way you voted to remain as you were scared of change and were happy to turn a blind eye to the things you currently aren't happy with.
It's doubtful you voted for change really; to do so you'd have to know what you were changing to, how you were going to effect the change process and the pros & cons of what you're changing to versus what you're changing from. Unfortunately Nige, Boris and Gove forgot to give any details in that respect.

So you ended up voting for a mis-sold vision of utopia based on a pack of lies and the supposed increased ability to control borders. Well done!
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