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Old 23-11-2017, 12:17 PM
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Has he actually been appointed ?
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Old 23-11-2017, 12:20 PM
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Has he actually been appointed ?
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If they give him a contract until the end of the season it might work.

Then again, if he does his usual trick and succeeds to start with, would they feel obliged to give him longer?
No chance he will take a short term contract. His Ego would not allow anything other than 2 years. Will be good news for us if he gets the WBA job and they continue to slide as he cannot motivate players that are struggling.The women are ropey up their too so he will start cracking on to the players wives again. The dirty bugger.
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which is exactly what he did do with us....
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A similar situation applies to our very own Palace, success would be to achieve mid table security season after season and the odd good Cup run is what our true ambitions should be, and in reality who would complain if it took a manager of Hodgson, Allardyce or even Pulis and the football style they bring, if we can achieve that goal.
I find the way Hodgson's teams play football to be pretty easy on the eye, to be honest. I wouldn't classify him with Pulis in that sense - let's hope he is as effective, though.
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Old 23-11-2017, 12:28 PM
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Allardyce and Hodgson believe in organisation and sound defence but they are not as extreme as Pulis (noone is) and they have more than a plan A
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I'm still confused by Nigelbrags post.
I think the order is as follows : We had Holloway, who resigned after being thumped at home to Fulham. Then Pulis stepped in and kept us up. After he left we had Warnock who got sacked after the boxing day home loss to Southampton. We then got Pardew who kept us up and started the following season brilliantly - up to Dec 15. He hung on for a year after that in which we were utter toilet (FA Cup aside) until we got shot of the useless tw@t last December.
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The same pardew that signed Cabaye, now one of our best players. Can't imagine Pulis or West Brom ever attracting someone like that....

Not blinkered here, but Pardew isnt an awful manager though has his flaws.
Other than his first few months Cabaye was largely poor under Pardew. Same applies for Tomkins, Townsend etc.

Like Cabaye they only looked decent under BSF and Hodgson.
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Old 23-11-2017, 12:41 PM
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Not sure you can say Cabaye only looked decent for a few months under Pardew and then say hes looked good for Hodgson as a comparison when hes played about 6 games?

Pardew gets a lot of criticism on these boards and the fact was he shouldve been booted much earlier, but at times, by pure luck perhaps, we got some great results under himand had a lot more memorable days and played better football than those under Pulis. For this reason, and as a contract, WBA fans may want him there.
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Old 23-11-2017, 12:48 PM
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Not sure you can say Cabaye only looked decent for a few months under Pardew and then say hes looked good for Hodgson as a comparison when hes played about 6 games?
Can only judge on what we've seen cant we. And Cabaye looks as good as he has in Palace shirt at the moment.
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Not sure you can say Cabaye only looked decent for a few months under Pardew and then say hes looked good for Hodgson as a comparison when hes played about 6 games?

Pardew gets a lot of criticism on these boards and the fact was he shouldve been booted much earlier, but at times, by pure luck perhaps, we got some great results under himand had a lot more memorable days and played better football than those under Pulis. For this reason, and as a contract, WBA fans may want him there.
Some very memorable days under Pulis. And I don't recall the football being particularly bad? Granted only 6/7 months so perhaps had he been here longer it might have got harder to watch.
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Staggering logic, here we have a manager (Pardew) who made a pigs ear of his position at Palace and eventually got sacked, we then replace him with Pulis who did a superb job and rescued us from relegation.
Then left Palace for whatever reasons which we will never know why, took the managers job at WBA and gained reasonable success, then gets sacked due to the form they are now in, that's understandable in their thinking. But with no regards to the good work he achieved with them previously also that this current loss of form could just be a temporary blip, but his managerial record suggests he is the best man for any struggling club to have to rescue them from possible relegation, but they decide to sack him rather prematurely in my opinion. Seems like it's the modern fad in football today, patience is a bygone word.
To confound logic, WBA are now considering appointing Pardew which seems very odd after what went before in his managerial roles, and how the Palace situation turned out when Both were in charge, surely a lesson for the WBA Board to heed before they take the plunge.
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Way to mess up your timeline

Pardew was great for us in 2015, so much so that even after our dismal run in 2016 he still had a 40% win rate while manage for us overall.

Expect him to do well at West Brom for 6-12 months as well. They have the fitness and drilled defensive shape, what they need is his early management that allows players like Rodriguez, Phillips and Chadli to attack with freedom and purpose. They are decent players and should do well until the inevitable fitness/tactic side unravels.
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You have Pulis and Pardew in the wrong order, and omitted Warnock in between
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Can only judge on what we've seen cant we. And Cabaye looks as good as he has in Palace shirt at the moment.
So when we were 5th in the league and basically dominating the midfield week in week out Cabaye was poorer than he is now we have 1 win in 12?Don't get me wrong,Cabaye has been outstanding this season but he wasn't even close to being poor under Pardew.He was average at worst in the 2nd half of that season and still played a vital role in the cup run.
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A good manager is one that improves the players he has under his control.

If you judge Pardew there probably was only one player that improved under his control which was Wilf. Everyone else went backwards.

Cabaye who Pardew signed performed worse for him than any other manager he has had in charge of him.

Allardyce got more out of him last season and this season Cabaye has really shown what he can really do. Looking the fittess he has ever been and playing really well.

It's all very well signing new players but you have to get the best out of them and improve them.
We were 5th in the league with Hennessey as 1st choice keeper and Wickham(who I like btw)as our main striker with 1 goal from the penalty spot all season.We also had Delaney as a regular centre back and Mutch and CYL were quite heavily involved.Ward was playing well too.If that isn't getting the best out of a squad I don't know what is.
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But we went stagnant very very quickly
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The same pardew that signed Cabaye, now one of our best players. Can't imagine Pulis or West Brom ever attracting someone like that....

Not blinkered here, but Pardew isnt an awful manager though has his flaws.
He has something if he's had 300+ games as a PL manager. However, he has divided two fan bases which I think is a message in itself. I think his biggest issue is he's dogmatic. One way of playing which can be attractive on the eye, but eventually you get found out. Similar to Holloway's Blackpool way back when. Pardew was as awesome in 2015 as he was shockingly bad in 2016. However the shockingly bad was sufficiently awful over a sustained period that it's that which we remember.

Personally, I don't think he's that good a coach, but he's very good at managing upwards and we, like others fell for it. Look at the fitness work Allardyce had to do after his departure and look how Cabaye, amongst others has come on since he left.

However, perhaps it's him that West Brom needs, if they want to be entertained. His style is the antithesis of Pulis. Allardyce is like-for-like; Koeman and Bilic have been sacked recently for abject failure. O'Neill won't go to West Brom.

If he goes there they'll have a good season. However............
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He’s a momentum manager. When things are going well, he is able to maintain confidence and keep the team playing positive, attacking football and can fool you into thinking he’s a smooth genius.

When things do turn against him and his team though, he finds it very difficult to stop the rot. He then comes across as an arrogant fool.

Always been streaky. It will be crucial for West Brom that he gets off to a flyer like he did with us. If he starts poorly, they will be in the shit.
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