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Nothing to do with it.

It is down to the growing number of scummy people with no morals, brought up by parents with no morals. Low life scum bags who have been created over generations by families sponging and stealing.

The only thing I agree with you is that it will get worse, as the scum gets wiser and realises they can get away with more rather than less, in a country where we protect criminals and give them rights, when in fact they should be treated as the dog shite they are.

They are the first to claim benefits while others look for work, the first to go to the NHS with illness while others go to work feeling rough and the first to breed too many kids while others know how many children they can afford the time and money to support.

How anyone can turn it political I don't know. The facts are out on the street everyday and have been for decades, just open your eyes.
Which neighbourhoods are you more likely to find these kind of people in, rich or poor?
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Old 18-07-2017, 03:27 PM
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Nothing to do with it.

It is down to the growing number of scummy people with no morals, brought up by parents with no morals. Low life scum bags who have been created over generations by families sponging and stealing.

The only thing I agree with you is that it will get worse, as the scum gets wiser and realises they can get away with more rather than less, in a country where we protect criminals and give them rights, when in fact they should be treated as the dog shite they are.

They are the first to claim benefits while others look for work, the first to go to the NHS with illness while others go to work feeling rough and the first to breed too many kids while others know how many children they can afford the time and money to support.

How anyone can turn it political I don't know. The facts are out on the street everyday and have been for decades, just open your eyes.
I think you will find you have made it political...JEEZ
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Old 18-07-2017, 03:30 PM
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Nothing to do with it.

It is down to the growing number of scummy people with no morals, brought up by parents with no morals. Low life scum bags who have been created over generations by families sponging and stealing.

The only thing I agree with you is that it will get worse, as the scum gets wiser and realises they can get away with more rather than less, in a country where we protect criminals and give them rights, when in fact they should be treated as the dog shite they are.

They are the first to claim benefits while others look for work, the first to go to the NHS with illness while others go to work feeling rough and the first to breed too many kids while others know how many children they can afford the time and money to support.

How anyone can turn it political I don't know. The facts are out on the street everyday and have been for decades, just open your eyes.
I was gonna say wait for the incoming from the usual suspects...to late.
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Old 18-07-2017, 03:32 PM
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I was gonna say wait for the incoming from the usual suspects...to late.
Its "too" in this instance hth.
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Its "too" in this instance hth.
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Old 18-07-2017, 03:34 PM
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Nothing to do with it.

It is down to the growing number of scummy people with no morals, brought up by parents with no morals. Low life scum bags who have been created over generations by families sponging and stealing.

The only thing I agree with you is that it will get worse, as the scum gets wiser and realises they can get away with more rather than less, in a country where we protect criminals and give them rights, when in fact they should be treated as the dog shite they are.

They are the first to claim benefits while others look for work, the first to go to the NHS with illness while others go to work feeling rough and the first to breed too many kids while others know how many children they can afford the time and money to support.

How anyone can turn it political I don't know. The facts are out on the street everyday and have been for decades, just open your eyes.
Surely politics determines the society we live in?

The education people get, the disposable income families have, the wellness of the population, the opportunities that exist for the poorest in society?

Sure, many people have the ability, the drive and the determination to succeed against the odds but some just don't.

How we deal with these people in society is the mark of our civilisation. Just calling them scum is a pretty poor response.

If we keep doing what we're doing, we'll keep getting what we're getting. Marginalising "low life scum bags" will surely create more of the same.

For clarification, anybody that sprays acid in somebody's face is indeed a scumbag.
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Old 18-07-2017, 03:36 PM
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Oh dear,slapped wrist for me then.
Yes, because grammar is far more important than the topic.
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Old 18-07-2017, 03:39 PM
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How do you stop someone doing a thing if you refuse to acknowledge any other reason for them doing it other than they are 'scum'?
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Yes, because grammar is far more important than the topic.
Only you have made the vapid comparison. All i did was point out that the poster who compained about it being made political was in his own way doing exactly the same.
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Surely politics determines the society we live in?

The education people get, the disposable income families have, the wellness of the population, the opportunities that exist for the poorest in society?

Sure, many people have the ability, the drive and the determination to succeed against the odds but some just don't.

How we deal with these people in society is the mark of our civilisation. Just calling them scum is a pretty poor response.

If we keep doing what we're doing, we'll keep getting what we're getting. Marginalising "low life scum bags" will surely create more of the same.

For clarification, anybody that sprays acid in somebody's face is indeed a scumbag.
I agree to an extent,but you don't have to be rich to apply yourself to something.
And there have been scumbags. through all ages,but the have something for nothing brigades have grown.
There are horrible ***** out there who think it's their right to steal what they want,instead of having to work for things like most people do.
I personally don't think it has anything to with politics and more to do with more scumbags.
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Only you have made the vapid comparison. All i did was point out that the poster who compained about it being made political was in his own way doing exactly the same.
How am I doing the same,when I am saying it's not....really
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I agree to an extent,but you don't have to be rich to apply yourself to something.
And there have been scumbags. through all ages,but the have something for nothing brigades have grown.
There are horrible ***** out there who think it's their right to steal what they want,instead of having to work for things like most people do.
I personally don't think it has anything to with politics and more to do with more scumbags.
However the response to this issue is going to involve politics in one way or another. So whilst obviously the act of throwing acid in someones face is in no way political. How to reduce the number of "scumbags" as you call them allways will be.
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How am I doing the same,when I am saying it's not....really
You have confused yourself i was originally refering to CPFC247's post.
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However the response to this issue is going to involve politics in one way or another. So whilst obviously the act of throwing acid in someones face is in no way political. How to reduce the number of "scumbags" as you call them allways will be.
But I don't see why it should,they are scumbags and they would be scumbags no matter who was in power.
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I agree to an extent,but you don't have to be rich to apply yourself to something.
And there have been scumbags. through all ages,but the have something for nothing brigades have grown.
There are horrible ***** out there who think it's their right to steal what they want,instead of having to work for things like most people do.
I personally don't think it has anything to with politics and more to do with more scumbags.
Yes there are scum bags out there, always have been. Rich and poor.

In my opinion though society, to some extent through the politicians we elect has decided that we're quite happy having chief execs, or footballers for that matter, earning many hundreds of times what the average man in the street earns.

With the advent of social media and the rise in communications, those who have not, are far more exposed to the lives of those that have than ever before.

This breeds a huge resentment about the lives many, many people live in comparison that is expressed through people wanting more and more "stuff".

This breeds massive discontent and leads to acquisitive crime.

Politics is the only way out of the mess we are in.
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But I don't see why it should,they are scumbags and they would be scumbags no matter who was in power.
Really even if you want to put them all in prison for ever you do require a politico/judicial system in place to enforce this.
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Surely politics determines the society we live in?

The education people get, the disposable income families have, the wellness of the population, the opportunities that exist for the poorest in society?

Sure, many people have the ability, the drive and the determination to succeed against the odds but some just don't.

How we deal with these people in society is the mark of our civilisation. Just calling them scum is a pretty poor response.

If we keep doing what we're doing, we'll keep getting what we're getting. Marginalising "low life scum bags" will surely create more of the same.

For clarification, anybody that sprays acid in somebody's face is indeed a scumbag.
There was a really interesting study in the US some years ago now that caused the whole poverty leads to crime argument massive issues. Was called the MTO. Worth a read.
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There was a really interesting study in the US some years ago now that caused the whole poverty leads to crime argument massive issues. Was called the MTO. Worth a read.
Bit of a blanket statement to make conclusively either way. There's so many different kinds of criminality. Poverty certainly exacerbates types of criminality though and I'd say what is constituted as moral.
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How poor, deprived, uneducated do you need to be to even contemplate throwing acid in somebodies face? Off the scale I would think.
It's not the reason people do it. The attackers are predominantly men and the victims predominantly women. ( I think anyway from the data I read)

It's not a simple thing and there's loads of complicated reasonings for what happens but you have to break it down and look at it through all it's different guises.

Acid is accessible, easy to conceal, fairly cheap and does permanent physical and psychological damage. It's seemingly about control and a way to continue to exert violence over the person beyond the attack.

It's not surprising that it has been used in race hatred related attacks, when you break down the psychology of the substance or that is has been used against women by scorned lovers e.t.c.
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