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View Poll Results: Who do you want to win in the UFC tonight? | |||
Tito 'The Huntington Beach Badboy' Ortiz | 3 | 60.00% | |
Ken ' The Worlds Most Dangerous Man' Shamrock | 2 | 40.00% | |
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Anyone going to Cage Rage at the end of September?
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Lets not also forget the problems Pride are having right now and how if things don't improve they will have to signifcantly cut back on expenditure even further than they have done already. Anyways - the results from Pride are in... EDIT: even though I've changed the colour to make the mre difficult to see you can still see them so please avoid if you don't want it to be spoilt. CroCop beat Silva via KO in Round 1 Barnet beat Nog on a split decision CroCop beat Barnett via tap out (strikes) in Round 1
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TEAM SHOOT
Hi all ... just a bit of info . I´ve just started training in SHOOT defence here in Spain, based upon Vale Tudo.
Gr8 people and some absolute beasts here , they compete alot overseas, and in UKand recently in Japan. Have you seen anyone from SHOOT in any recent UFC or PRIDE bouts ?? Are they any good ??
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Julián González Cañada
S.h.o.o.t. Spain Spain Is one guy ... un beaten I thinlk
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I've never seen any Spanish guys fight, I don't think. From what I understand, there is a pretty extensive European fight scene, but it seems they rarely go into the American or Japanese scense.
As far as paying fighters, there's no comparison, Pride way outdoes UFC. To view the link you have to Register or Login I know that Fedor and Yoshida make near $1M per fight. Noguiera, Crocop and Silva go around a half mil. I talked to someone at Dream Stage who seemed to think that even a fighter like Josh Thompson was making around $50k for his fight vs Fujita. That seems a little extreme, but maybe not.
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Interestingly enough there was an article by Dave Meltzer in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter this week that I hadn't read when I posted my bit about pay.
Yes Yoshida/Ogawa got massive pay for their NYE event but that was all money fronted by the television network and for regular events the top guys in Japan don't get near those figures and in reality the top guys in Japan don't come close to the guys who fight in the top 2 fights on a UFC PPV do. Of course that's all because of the PPV revenue clauses that the fighters have (which barely gets a mention in the article that was posted) and other assorted bonuses. Of course guys lower down on the card don't make as much money but then they're not selling PPV's.
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I'd guess that most of what the top guys in Japan make actually comes ontop of their fight salary, MMA is so much more mainstream that the potential for endorsements/advertising must be far greater than in the US. Quote:
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Everyone seems to have jumped on the UFC pay thing and at least according to Meltzer (and Dana White in a recent interview with Meltzer) seem to suggest otherwise. Obviously White has reason to spin things positively in the UFC's favour but I wouldn't think he'd flat out lie about things. Yes the downside guarantees are relatively low, yes the win bonuses aren't much better but if you're selling PPV's or putting bums on seats then you're financial package will reflect this. Case in point Forrest Griffin, his contract for winning TUF mean he's currently on 16k for a fight with 16k extra for winning. Considering his place on the card, the ratings he gets and the buyrates he draws. that's a ridiculously low figure. But for his fight with Ortiz he was cut into the PPV revenue and made close to 7 figures. Which is bigger than the entire TUF Contract was worth in the first place. But anyways enough about pay. The question is will Pride be able to survive and prosper like they had in the past and if not what then for their top guys?
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If they were to go under I'd guess most of their top guys would be likely to stay in Japan where there likely to be much larger draws. The WFA might be interesting I spose as Crocop mentioned having had an offer from them when in dispute with Pride about his contract for Final Conflict. |
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Well the Fuji Networkl did a lot more than simply broadcast Pride shows... I'm pretty sure they paid all production costs and put a lot of other monies into the company.
Obviously Pride have cut back big time on production (at one point they had a better looking product than any MMA/Pro-Wrestling company in the world) to offset those loses (and I imagine downsizes in payoffs will have to follow) and as a company they rely far more on quality than production values but these things do have an effect. My question is though - without regular television how do they build up personalities, how do they develop feuds and how do they sell fights on PPV? Will be interesting to see where Pride is in 12 months time and exactly how much they do have to downsize. It's also interesting to see how much effort they actually do put in to building their reputation in Korea and North America.
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Can we talk about the GP finals now or are people still looking to keep spoiler free? |
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There is no way, NO WAY, Griffin got anywhere near $1m for his fight with Ortiz, even if he got any type of PPV bonus. No way. And as far as why would Dana White lie? At heart, he's still a fight promoter. That's a good enough reason.
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With the Pride US show coming up featuring neither what are peoples feelings on the old elbows vs stomps/soccer kicks/knee's debate?
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And yes promoters lie. But to make such a flat out lie by claiming you've created millionaires when you're really only paying them 18k per fight is beyond ridiculous. A little bit of positive spin is one thing but generally regarding pay when a promoter says something it's in the ballpark (otherwise why say it at all). And looking at the lifestyles of the guys in question (Rich Franklin for example who is still on the $18k to show plus an $18k win bonus) and the fact they can buy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of real estate outright you do have to wonder how they'd be able to do that without the substantial PPV pay-offs that rarely get mentioned... EDIT: Perhaps I'm paying too much respect to Dave Meltzer (which I often get accused of in the wrestling thread) but he does know his onions and while he's obviously Pro-Wrestling focused he breaks a scary amount of MMA news too and seems to have unparalled inside knowlegde on the inner workings of UFC.
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Ultimate Fighter The Comeback is still pretty good viewing and the cream is clearly rising to the top. The Semi Finals should be much closer fights
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Well Ortiz has officially signed on for the Liddell fight in December... the only question left is will they manage to top 1,000,000 buys?
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Basically, if Penn had better conditioning he would have beaten Hughes. But he doesn't and so he didn't.
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