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Old 12-08-2017, 04:54 PM
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I think SP brought him in because of his style so I can't see him telling him to change it TBH
So no car-park chat, then?
Hmmm. Worrying.
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Exactly, its either going to eventually work or we are going to have a new manager.

Pardew tried but didn't have a clue. FDB has always played it so I think SP brought him in as he specialised in it. The problem is the players have no idea how to play it. They might get it, eventually but the Prem is no place to learn to play a style.
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Old 12-08-2017, 04:55 PM
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So no car-park chat, then?
Hmmm. Worrying.

Afraid not - the only chat will be will be the chat that SP makes to Sam to come back to play the players in the style we are accustomed too. We're not a 3-4-3 team/club and never have been. We're counter attacking with pace and width - it's in our DNA.
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Something just doesn't feel right about him. He always looks a bit awkward like he doesn't fit in here for reason?
I get that feeling as well, in fact I had the feeling the day he was appointed
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I think SP brought him in because of his style so I can't see him telling him to change it TBH
I doubt he will change wanting to play passing out the back but he has to change this formation.
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Fdb comes from a country where total football is drilled into them from the time they first learn to kick a ball. I coached it at a club that was led by a former pro player in holland and it took a long time to get the kids away from the hoof all mindset to even begin to play it. You don't have to be Einstein to see what went wrong today, but our only hope is for fdb to recognize HIS failures before he loses the players like he lost the fans today. I hope he succeeds. If he doesn't get changes soon, I sure as hell won't give him the leeway I gave pardew, not that my opinion carries any weight at palace!
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Old 12-08-2017, 04:59 PM
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I get that feeling as well, in fact I had the feeling the day he was appointed
Same here.

Ho-hum. Well, let's hope we're all wrong and the huge early-doors wake-up call today has a positive effect. I think it will go "one way or the other", so to speak. Very important we don't get thumped at Anfield.
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Old 12-08-2017, 05:01 PM
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This is what leaves me feeling miserable about football. Not losing horribly (though that always sucks), but the immediacy with which people have made up their minds and declaring crises.

I think we lost because of three factors:

1) Not got to grips with the defensive shape and responsibility of the new system.
2) Misjudged Huddersfield's game plan.
3) A few players in our team not up to it.

None of those factors are insurmountable but they can only be dealt with if lessons are learned. I do wholeheartedly feel that we need to move away from the counter attack at some point as we always lose more than we win with that set up, HOWEVER, we need to retain dogged defensiveness alongside more attacking impetus when we have the ball. We don't have enough players who can switch seemlessly between defence and attack (i.e. when in the latter mindset cannot get back into position / read the game). This needs urgent attention.

I am not going to conflate frustration and deep disappointment with today's game / result with an extrapolation towards the season as a whole or as a reflection on the managers tenure.
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Pardew tried but didn't have a clue. FDB has always played it so I think SP brought him in as he specialised in it. The problem is the players have no idea how to play it. They might get it, eventually but the Prem is no place to learn to play a style.
Yup, I don't know if we can afford to give away the ten games plus it's going to take to even see if it might work.
What baffles me though is why we didnt set up like we did today in preseason if that's what he wanted. We basically wasted the whole of preseason playing people out of position
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We're trying a new style (De Boer's) of play. It's not going to be instantly successful but we may have a few hiccups before we really get going. Giving up on a whole footballing philosophy that De Boer is trying implement after one game is ridiculous.
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Completely agree with this and is exactly why i wanted Sean Dyche. Would have fit like a glove and that's not a dig at De Boer, i just really felt he was perfect for us.
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Dear Mr Parish,

I'm probably one of the most moderate supporters and try not to make waves when things aren't going right, BUT after that shameful debacle put on today, I respectfully suggest that you start your search for Frank DeBoer's replacement immediately (if not sooner), as it always takes you so long to appoint anyone, and based on today's farce we will be needing one sooner rather than later. By the way, it might help if we actually signed some competent players who aren't necessarily danish but can play in the premiership with confidence. Just saying.....

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