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How anyone can reach a conclusion other than gross incompetence for the way that Corbyn, and the Labour party have handled this row is beyond me. It is one own goal after another, after another.
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Worrying nonsense.
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It's really laughable that Steel, or anybody else, would suggest Corbyn just happened to have his thumb folded, so it just happened to look like the Rabaa salute. Because that's obviously ridiculous, and he's obviously doing the Rabaa salute, and very intentionally. Maybe instead of making fun of the suggestion that Corbyn might have made a hand gesture in support of upwards of 1000+ people killed and 4000+ people injured by the Egyptian authorities, Corbyn's supporters need to have enough respect for themselves, their opponents and the dead of Rabaa to say "yes, he did, and that's the right thing, because 1000 were killed and that's not something to make jokes about." |
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Corbyn believes in two things, and he has repeatedly said this in the past as an MP and leader of the Labour Party.
1. He believes in dialogue, extreme dialogue first, until agreement is found, and condemns all violent methods to achieve the same outcome. 2. He believes the only way this can be done is to treat all sides of conflict wherever possible, equally, to enable and facilitate that dialogue, as it rarely happens any other way. This will mean meeting with adversaries from time to time and empathising with losses on both sides. A further observation is that the people of this country will find it hard to accept the above, especially item 2. above, as it goes against the historical grain of the British psyche, despite it being a traditional Christian mantra in an alleged Christian country. A second observation is that this makes any leader of any party more vulnerable to attack from a variety of sources, especially political opponents who can "weaponise" what is perceived as weakness or worse, "traitorous" behaviour. In my opinion, and under these circumstances, Corbyn should not dodge and dive around these issues, but simply own up, as he has done so on many occasions in the past that this is his way of working and is not going to apologise for it, or lie to alleviate criticism. When is he going to do this? |
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Don't think so.
I've always supported Israel's right to exist - it's been there my whole life, for Christ's sake. My first wife spent a lot of time in Tel Aviv and I remember bombs being launched from Iraq into that city. frightening. But if I was to point out that the treatment of Palestinians and the grabbing of land and the Jewish only laws had a whiff of fascism about them - then I am in breach of the code and anti-Semitic. To me, THAT is the worrying nonsense here. |
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If he believes that dialogue is the only way forward then I'd suggest that openly aligning himself with organisations that wish to obliterate Israel isn't going to open many dialogue doors with Israel. In fact, quite the opposite. It'll just fuel their siege mentality. His present/past actions are all very well for a 6th form political student but he's now potentially a leader-in-waiting. His past actions and affiliations will negatively impact his chance of 'enabling and facilitating dialogue' as one important side (Israel) will undoubtedly want to have nothing to do with him. |
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Your post also said that if you did wholly support Israel you were therefore anti-semitic. I am unsure if you agree with this or are simply making a comment that the IHRA definition of anti-semitism results in this conclusion.
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I couldn't endure 53 seconds of it Cary. I disagree with every word that comes out of its mouth.
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You’re every bit as swivel eyed in your defence of your blairite chums as the biggest corbynite. Pathetic.
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Agree strongly with the other bit.
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I think you have not read his approach correctly. Israel does not need support yet or even dialogue with Corbyn, after all he is not in a position to influence their policies in opposition. In Palestine's very weak position he is focusing on the underdog and their current plight, which is far greater than Israel's, and where he can influence more easily and effectively. There is the hope, as with the IRA who were the weaker underdog too, that he can change things and get Hamas down the route of dialogue, rather than resorting to an exchange of missiles or air attacks, every time something goes wrong in that process. There is no doubt in my mind that Israel is not going to change at the moment and that the expansionism will continue, against the wishes of the UN, so it will need ultimately, just like south Africa, a new set of sanctions to to ease the way to meaningful talks. The important thing is to talk to both the moderates and the violent ones, empathise when valid in tandem, as a means to solve the issues and to ease tensions. I think we do agree though, that Corbyn hasn't handled things in the right manner, but for different reasons. |
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