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I would imagine the scars of the holocaust on the Jews run deep and when you have a first hand account from a parent, I would imagine that would have a lasting effect on your psyche.

I know you cannot stand the woman, but I would say leave your criticisms to matters that are less personal to her.
But she is allowed to make political capital out of personal issues?
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I would imagine the scars of the holocaust on the Jews run deep and when you have a first hand account from a parent, I would imagine that would have a lasting effect on your psyche.

I know you cannot stand the woman, but I would say leave your criticisms to matters that are less personal to her.
Then she shouldn't say these things on the news.

It's funny. I think most will find it utterly ridiculous to compare being put under investigation for swearing at your boss with being oppressed by the Nazis....
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....have you seen what she actually said?
Yes. She said her father told her to always have a suitcase packed.
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But she is allowed to make political capital out of personal issues?
Gussett has criticised her for mentioning her father who suffered under the SS and it is obvious how that has affected her and how her fathers advice to her
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Then she shouldn't say these things on the news.

It's funny. I think most will find it utterly ridiculous to compare being put under investigation for swearing at your boss with being oppressed by the Nazis....
You don't think that being warned by her father to always have her suitcase packed may not be playing on her mind anytime she perceives that a growing level of anti-semitism is raising its head?

Did you see the interview with her?
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Yes. She said her father told her to always have a suitcase packed.
That's not what Gusset is referring to though.


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That's not what Gusset is referring to though.


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It is what she was referring to, not sure why you say it was not what Gussett was referring to.

Did you see the interview?
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For the record I think the way Israeli governments have treated the Palestinians over the years has been a ******* disgrace.

I have not fallen the wrong side of the IHRA definition of anti-semitism by stating this.

See how easy it is to stick up for the Palestinian cause without opening the door to accusations of anti-semitism?
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Seriously wonder where this is going to end. I am not surprised some on here agree with Len the denial of the issue the claims it is smears have been made loud and clear by some. Any concerned raised is questioned.
In general terms the Len article is like Gusset or Elgin responding to my concerns. In summary Len says its been sorted now shut up else there is going to be a falling out. This is not an article reaching out to the Jewish community its an article aimed at the converted Corbyn supporters, we have done everything we can its the fault of the pesky Jews that will not listen why we are being accused of racism they are against our project (your project).
Len made it clear last year his view there is no serious antisemitism its mood music he was one of those that gave a standing ovation at the Labour Party Conference to one of the leaders of JVL who stood on the platform and told an enthusiastic crowd there is no antisemitism in Labour.
We have his view on what has been offered to the Jewish community which is as biased as Nicks and Elgins. From my perspective believe the half truths his views it makes no difference to my stance. As I said to Elgin this is personal. If Labour want to play politics with racism and they are then I will call it out disagree I would not expect less throw the insults tell me I am being fooled led astray by the MSM how can I be so blind. Trust me I have the same view on Corbyn supporters.
The last few days I have the feeling that Milne and Corbyn have decided to go for attack mode the useful idiots like Len have been give free reign.
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You don't think that being warned by her father to always have her suitcase packed may not be playing on her mind anytime she perceives that a growing level of anti-semitism is raising its head?

Did you see the interview with her?


She said there is "a fine line between being pro-Palestinian, and being anti-Semitic".

I disagree, there is no "fine line" between supporting Palestinians and "anti-Semitism" at all.

One involves basic human decency and solidarity with people who have unquestionably suffered decades of brutal repression. The other involves being an anti-Jewish bigot who hates Jews because they're Jews.

Again it's an effort to obfuscte and to intimidate people who might feel something towards Palestinians under Israeli repression and want to speak out without repercussions of being labelled an anti Semite.
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Many people care more about what he would do if he got into power.

If it’s more than just placating the long list of self interest groups then that’s one thing.

Are we OK that he leaves behind the Chavs, Little Englanders, Daily Mail readers, Gammons, etc?

Are you OK with alienating a huge section of working class Britain for the Corben project?

That really is a serious question.
Presumably the better pay, better jobs and working rights rhetoric should appeal to them if they're working class and concerned with working class issues. Labour returning to root left-wing issues should be right up their street
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Seriously wonder where this is going to end. I am not surprised some on here agree with Len the denial of the issue the claims it is smears have been made loud and clear by some. Any concerned raised is questioned.
In general terms the Len article is like Gusset or Elgin responding to my concerns. In summary Len says its been sorted now shut up else there is going to be a falling out. This is not an article reaching out to the Jewish community its an article aimed at the converted Corbyn supporters, we have done everything we can its the fault of the pesky Jews that will not listen why we are being accused of racism they are against our project (your project).
Len made it clear last year his view there is no serious antisemitism its mood music he was one of those that gave a standing ovation at the Labour Party Conference to one of the leaders of JVL who stood on the platform and told an enthusiastic crowd there is no antisemitism in Labour.
We have his view on what has been offered to the Jewish community which is as biased as Nicks and Elgins. From my perspective believe the half truths his views it makes no difference to my stance. As I said to Elgin this is personal. If Labour want to play politics with racism and they are then I will call it out disagree I would not expect less throw the insults tell me I am being fooled led astray by the MSM how can I be so blind. Trust me I have the same Corbyn.
The last few days I have the feeling that Milne and Corbyn have decided to go for attack mode the useful idiots like Len have been give free reign.
What gets me, is that a day or two ago McClusky stated that Labour should adopt the IHRA definition in full and then comes out and says what he did.
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I would imagine the scars of the holocaust on the Jews run deep and when you have a first hand account from a parent, I would imagine that would have a lasting effect on your psyche.

I know you cannot stand the woman, but I would say leave your criticisms to matters that are less personal to her.
Maybe. But I think it’s fairly out of order to compare being investigated by the Labour Party as the same as being a Jewish person under Nazi germany. Personally I think that is crass beyond belief.

A bit like footballers (even if black) who have compared being tied in to football contracts as modern day slavery.
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She said there is "a fine line between being pro-Palestinian, and being anti-Semitic".

I disagree, there is no "fine line" between supporting Palestinians and "anti-Semitism" at all.

One involves basic human decency and solidarity with people who have unquestionably suffered decades of brutal repression. The other involves being an anti-Jewish bigot who hates Jews because they're Jews.

Again it's an effort to obfuscte and to intimidate people who might feel something towards Palestinians under Israeli repression and want to speak out without repercussions of being labelled an anti Semite.
Sorry, but you are an idiot.
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If that’s what she said it’s racism towards Palestinians.
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Sorry, but you are an idiot.
What are Hodges prime motives do you think?
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Maybe. But I think it’s fairly out of order to compare being investigated by the Labour Party as the same as being a Jewish person under Nazi germany. Personally I think that is crass beyond belief.

A bit like footballers (even if black) who have compared being tied in to football contracts as modern day slavery.
Come on CR there is no comparison.

Imagine what it must have been like to be Jewish during the holocaust and how that experience passed down a generation or two could inspire a level of fear and concern that it could raise its head again. When signs emerge, real or imagined, don't you expect a strong reaction to quash it?

Being of Armenian descent I remember back in the '70s when I was young the anger that still existed towards the Turks over the Armenian holocaust, with marches held and some level of terrorism. iirc a few Turkish banks were bombed in Paris in the '90s by Armenians. Such atrocities run deep and its affects are passed down the generations.
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What are Hodges prime motives do you think?
Right so just give no consideration whatsoever to the scars that the holocaust could have had on her and simply go for the line that she is using it to get rid of Corbyn. I assume is what you are driving at.

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If that’s what she said it’s racism towards Palestinians.
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