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Old 16-08-2018, 10:18 PM
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Right so just give no consideration whatsoever to the scars that the holocaust could have had on her and simply go for the line that she is using it to get rid of Corbyn. I assume is what you are driving at.

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Come on CR there is no comparison.

Imagine what it must have been like to be Jewish during the holocaust and how that experience passed down a generation or two could inspire a level of fear and concern that it could raise its head again. When signs emerge, real or imagined, don't you expect a strong reaction to quash it?

Being of Armenian descent I remember back in the '70s when I was young the anger that still existed towards the Turks over the Armenian holocaust, with marches held and some level of terrorism. iirc a few Turkish banks were bombed in Paris in the '90s by Armenians. Such atrocities run deep and its affects are passed down the generations.
I can’t imagine it must be horrific. Sorry you’re not gonna convince me. I think it’s a crass comparison at best and is flippant towards the horror and terror of the Nazi regime.

I would say the same if you were in the Labour Party and got investigated and compared it to someone who was the victim of the genocide against Armenians.

In fact the more I think about it the more crass I think it is. I would go as far to say it’s an insult.
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Right so just give no consideration whatsoever to the scars that the holocaust could have had on her and simply go for the line that she is using it to get rid of Corbyn. I assume is what you are driving at.

ffs.
A few weeks ago I may not have done. And whilst I agree that there are scars for those who were personally affected by the holocaust, it's pretty not on to compare being worried because you shouted anti semite in your bosses face to nazi Germany, even if you are Jewish.
What's she saying to Jewish Labour party members who support Corbyn.
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Come off it. She`s a politician.
Sorry I did not realise that once you become a politician you stop experiencing the same emotions as us mere mortals.
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Sorry I did not realise that once you become a politician you stop experiencing the same emotions as us mere mortals.
And here was me thinking Corbyn was just a well meaning idiot. I hadn’t realised he was using anti-semitism as a form of power grab.
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Saying that being pro Palestinian is a thin line from being racist, is racist in and of itself to Palestinians in my view. It’s a disgusting thing to say.

Just as it would be to say being pro Jewish is a thin line from being anti Palestinian.
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If that’s what she said it’s racism towards Palestinians.
As much as your saying that me being pro Israel makes me racist against Palestinians. I am acutely aware there is a fine line when being pro Israel and not being racist against Palestinians.
I am used to seeing the criticisms levelled at Israel does not take long to find them on here. You have made it clear if pushed your view on Hamas without though going into a long exercise I think you will find there are far more anti Israeli comments than anti Palestinians on here over the years.
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Saying that being pro Palestinian is a thin line from being racist, is racist in and of itself to Palestinians in my view. It’s a disgusting thing to say.

Just as it would be to say being pro Jewish is a thin line from being anti Palestinian.
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As much as your saying that me being pro Israel makes me racist against Palestinians. I am acutely aware there is a fine line when being pro Israel and not being racist against Palestinians.
I am used to seeing the criticisms levelled at Israel does not take long to find them on here. You have made it clear if pushed your view on Hamas without though going into a long exercise I think you will find there are far more anti Israeli comments than anti Palestinians on here over the years.
Of course. With good reason.
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The more I read this thread and what's being said in the papers, the more I'm wondering about when it suddenly become alright to tell the victims of racial discrimination what discrimination is and isn't, and how they can and can't feel about it. Its surely one of the central tenets of social justice that the victim gets to tell us what's offensive and what's not.

Nothing's convincing me so much that there is a genuine anti-semitism problem in the party as the foot dragging and mumbled apologies when it comes to adopting a stance on the problem that its victims find acceptable.
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I can’t imagine it must be horrific. Sorry you’re not gonna convince me. I think it’s a crass comparison at best and is flippant towards the horror and terror of the Nazi regime.

I would say the same if you were in the Labour Party and got investigated and compared it to someone who was the victim of the genocide against Armenians.

In fact the more I think about it the more crass I think it is. I would go as far to say it’s an insult.
But she was not comparing it to being a victim of the holocaust she was really highlighting, without stating it or maybe realising it, how the experiences of those who suffered under the Nazis made her generation extremely wary of ant-semitism ever gaining traction again and being reborn to the extent where a new holocaust against the Jewish people could become a reality.

It would be in the nature of many if not all Jews to be extremely sensitive to anti-semitism after what their forefathers suffered. Surely not hard to understand.
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So what we down to now with the Jews, making light of the effects it had on a Holocaust survivors child to protect Corbyn because one of the siblings may not like here boss being matey with others that would like to and have exterminated fellow jews..

Surprised cannot see how that could be....
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If that’s what she said it’s racism towards Palestinians.
I imagine she was referring to her direct experience.
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So what we down to now with the Jews, making light of the effects it had on a Holocaust survivors child to protect Corbyn because one of the siblings may not like here boss being matey with others that would like to and have exterminated fellow jews..

Surprised cannot see how that could be....
It is unbelievable the lengths some will go to to defend a Corbyn led Labour party.
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But she was not comparing it to being a victim of the holocaust she was really highlighting, without stating it or maybe realising it, how the experiences of those who suffered under the Nazis made her generation extremely wary of ant-semitism ever gaining traction again and being reborn to the extent where a new holocaust against the Jewish people could become a reality.

It would be in the nature of many if not all Jews to be extremely sensitive to anti-semitism after what their forefathers suffered. Surely not hard to understand.
I think she was saying more than that. I just think it’s crass comparing those who suffered at the hands of the SS with a Labour Party investigation even taking account the validity of what you’re saying.
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It is unbelievable the lengths some will go to to defend a Corbyn led Labour party.
And the lengths people will go to stop someone like Corbyn ever getting to power.
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Yes,they are.As well as legit criticism,they also attract opprobrium from a minority of people motivated in part by pure anti-semitic prejudice
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And the lengths people will go to stop someone like Corbyn ever getting to power.
All they needed (it’s too late for needs now) to do was to deal with the issue when it first came up. None of this wreath stuff would have had any traction had they done that.

They chose not to and here we are.

If a new windrush story comes out tomorrow, how much traction would it have it? The answer is a lot less than it would have had the Tories tried to fight it for months.
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Before conference would be good.
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