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Is that really what you base your opinions on ?
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Hodge's grandmother was shot dead outside a concentration camp, an Aunts husband was killed in Auschwitz. She has a very close association with the horrors of that time.
Here is what she said about how the Labour party investigation made her feel; 'I did feel very bruised, On the day I heard that they were going to discipline me, and possibly suspend me, it felt almost like, I kept thinking, what did it feel like to be a jew in Germany in the '30s, cos it felt almost like they were coming for me, and its rather difficult to define, but there is that fear, and it reminded me of what my Dad used to say, he always said to me as a child, you gotta keep a packed suitcase at the door Margaret, incase you have to leave in a hurry'
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No, I'm saying it's a gauge of reaction.
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But I also feel your perception is coloured by your negative view of her politically. She was OTT but not in the way you and Nick leap onto her for.And I suspect if she was of the left of the party saying the same thing re a leader from the right of the party,you'd be minimising it as would Nick. She was talking about a time (early 30's) pre the horrible things happening when things that were very dodgy became acceptable in political and popular discourse including anti-semitic remarks and hoary old tropes about Jews. Whether its Jews or immigrants,there are lessons to be learned on all sides today,since many Jewish people in say 1930 would have said what happened later in Germany was unimaginable at the time. Bit like a labour party party leader in this country supporting opposition to the removal of an anti semitic mural would have been unimaginable in this country (errors and excuses and apology notwithstanding) We only need to look at 1990's Yugoslavia or attitudes to Roma in some countries in Europe to see that the sick genie still lurks inside the bottle and woe on those that tolerate those who clear the path with words beginning to tar and deliegitimise whole groups of people (be they Serbs,Bosniaks,Croatians or Roma or migrants or Jews),that clear the path for the genie coming out of the bottle No one (least of all her) is suggesting Labour is like the SS..that is so bonkers it only undermines your point.. Last edited by legaleagle2; 17-08-2018 at 11:00 AM. |
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Social media is being referred to as if it is one homogenous being.
Using it as a yardstick of public opinion because you access a very small part of it, is the equivalent of turning up at a Grimsby home game and reporting back that most football fans support Grimsby.
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A significant difference.
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She said: '"It's rather difficult to define but there's that fear and it reminded me of what my dad used to say," Ms Hodge said in her first major TV interview since the investigation was dropped. "He always said to me as a child: 'You've got to keep a packed suitcase at the door Margaret, in case you ever have got to leave in a hurry.' "And when I heard about the disciplinary, my emotional response resonated with that feeling of fear, that clearly was at the heart of what my father felt when he came to Britain." She said the action against her felt like "bullying" and that there was a concerted "purge of people who disagree with Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters". On anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, Ms Hodge added she had "never seen it like this" - and warned against the "cult of Corbyn". "I think it's a bit scary," she said from her north London home. "We've got the growth of populism, whether it's Trump, whether it's Boris Johnson, and now whether it's the cult of Corbynism which allows these attitudes to emerge. That's what scares me. "I wasn't alive in the 1930s… but it sort of makes you feel that if you don't stand up against it then what are you allowing to occur? "And for me, fighting racism has always been at the heart of everything I've done." |
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However, when it comes down to it, he is essentially a left-wing version of Jeremy Clarkson - a very talented writer and performer, who's main method is in using amusing hyperbole. |
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In a time where everyone in the Labour Party. Has to be very careful with their words, she chose not to be That’s what I see here
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I mean if she was black and her boss was going to KKK meetings with people that had lynched blacks then laying wreaths on KKK graves,defended wall paintings of black-faced white people and gave the KKK sign she might feel she was being discriminated against like in the 1930's US of A?
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The stupidity of the way that the Labour party has handled this is beyond belief.
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So you agree that she did not compare the Labour parties disciplinary procedures to Nazi Germany?
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Yes. I agree she did not do that. However it looks very much to me like she intentionally inferred it
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Implied, not inferred.
And the problem with that is that, pace gusset, often implications are what the listener hopes has been said, rather than what was meant (and never said).
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But hell seems to have no fury like a Labour party challenged the social media attack on Hodge since underlines that. It is not dialogue this is vindictive argue the case where she is wrong sure but a relentless social media onslaught. She is not the first Tom Watson being another recent one. Do you really think its not important, do you really think some already concerned will feel less concerned. Those who are religious attend synagogues belong to synagogues find that those that represent them in society the BoD are vilified by the likes of Len. FFS how many times does it need to be said there are many Jewish people who want nothing other than peace in a two state solution who hate the approach that the current government in Israel is taking, who will criticise Israels approach. They will do it with out the cry of antisemitism why because the are Jewish or of Jewish ancestry, or because the argument is made without having to be antisemitic thats why the IHRA and the eleven examples should never of been a debate if you cannot as a party as an individual work within the IHRA then I question why not. Look at Israel those opposed to the approach of Likud the ultra orthodox parties are not antisemitic. Which brings me to Jackie Walker and others within JVL but lets stick with Walker a fierce critic of Israel who over stepped the line on more than one occasion her Jewish ancestor is without question that does not excuse antisemitism and her defence includes but I have a Jewish ancestor I am not antisemitic. It fails before she even reaches the first hurdle I do not define the religious view I understand why it was done and also understand the issues it raises within the Jewish community particularly where the father is Jewish the mother is not. I would take the Jewish Liberal /Reform approach. None though within all the Jewish groups would define Walker as Jewish just by her father alone some would if she was brought up Jewish this clearly from her autobiography was not the case. So what is she gaining by using but I am part Jewish, a justification for her antisemitism maybe sorry no excuses if she cannot accept that to many she is just antisemitic and a racist no excuses thats her issue, but telling that she trys to use it to justify it. Telling that others use the what who defines who is Jewish have a go at Heb the only ones defining who is Jewish is those that oppose what he said. |
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I haven't read it but in all fairness I don't think you can be both Catholic and Jewish.
One can convert of course and become one from the other, ie a Catholic of Jewish Heritage.
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