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Speroni 1 0.18%
PVA 4 0.73%
Tomkins 7 1.28%
Dann 0 0%
Ward 1 0.18%
Schlupp 1 0.18%
Milivojevic 12 2.19%
Cabaye 274 49.91%
RLC 6 1.09%
Townsend 26 4.74%
Zaha 202 36.79%
TFM 13 2.37%
Sako 2 0.36%
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I believe PVA did think he was going to come back on. He was stretching his leg and positioning himself to come back on, when he was told he was being replaced. His facial expression and appearing to say "What?" when he realized he was being replaced made it clear he was surprised. Which is odd. Stormed past everyone to the dug out back row seats talking to himself.

All seemed a bit odd, as surely the physio and he would have discussed it on the field, or overheard his communication with the bench.
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Obviously Luka let himself down with the **** up for the second goal, but he has such a sweat "ping" with his passing. None of those hitting it in the general direct of a team mate or giving them hospital balls.

I though he made a couple of nice, timely and clean tackles also that broke up WH's play.

Makes me nervous with the stutter step penalties, but at least he blast them, unlike what ever it is Benteke tries (or is that tried) to do!
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Jules - 6 - No chance with goals, no other real saves.
Fosu Mensah (sub) - 7 gave us something different going forward
Tomkins - 7 - Solid, couple of goal chances
Dann - 5 - poor, rightly booked, didn't do enough for the second goal
Ward - 4 - Really poor game for Joel, total lack of confidence

Cabaye - 9 - Excellent, bar Hart best player on the pitch by a country mile
Luka 6 - Would have been 7 but at fault for second goal, worked hard always available, smart in the tackle.
RLC - 5 - Would have been less but for last 15 minutes, looked lost for most of the game.
Schlupp 6 did well, very versatile
Wilf - 7 - Poor first half but kept going second half and deserved the goal. Still looks a bit off the pace after his injury, some silly fouls he gave away
Townsend -7 - Didn't stop trying

Bakary (sub) - 6 - Gave us something different

Another chance of 3 points gone especially as we were so much better than them; we are going to need to go on a run of 2/3 wins on the trot and realistically it will have to be the matches after Spurs
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Old 29-10-2017, 07:57 AM
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The first half was a write off, but the verve shown by Wilf, Andros, Cabeye, Sako, Timbo and late on by RLC in the second half gives me hope for the future.
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The lack of height and combativness in the final 3rd for high balls is a real concern, very impressed with schlupp in the air to give us some challenge.
Let's be honest, Hart had the game of his season or we would have walked that game.

For me the finishing 11(with sakho) is our best option at the mo, Sako won 4 or 5 corners when he came on and gave far more balance to the team, keeping Andros and Wilf in their favoured positions out wide.

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Showed fantastic attacking skill at one point in the second half. Beat 3 or 4 men down the right, got into the box and then made a fantastic defensive clearance - much to West Ham's relief. A great prospect but too often he seems to me as if he can't be arsed.

First half the team was poor. To many seemed scared of the ball - got rid of it too quickly and didn't go looking to support team mates who did have it. There was one point in the first half when Wilf had four West Ham snapping at his heels and no-one from Palace willing to help out. But what a change in the second half.

With Wilf playing as he did surely no-one else could be MoM - but I think Cabaye edges it.

Speroni should have done better with their second goal (yes - I know about the midfield cock up seconds before)
Absolutely not - it was a bloody screamer. No keeper was saving that.
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Strop?

I guess we interpret things differently, but I thought he was frustrated/angry to be injured.
Was in the main stand. Definitely a strop. Threw his shirt Away and had words with the physio.
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Was in the main stand. Definitely a strop. Threw his shirt Away and had words with the physio.
i expect he knew he was in the last chance saloon for his place

and perhaps another player would have been given a chance to play on
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Was in the main stand. Definitely a strop. Threw his shirt Away and had words with the physio.
Really?? It was a hamstring injury wasnít it? No chance weíd risk playing him longer. Guy seems a bit odd
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i expect he knew he was in the last chance saloon for his place

and perhaps another player would have been given a chance to play on
Hodgson was mad to start him. Now there is no reason to. TFM at right back and Schlupp st left back is the obvious choice.
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Hodgson was mad to start him. Now there is no reason to. TFM at right back and Schlupp st left back is the obvious choice.

I think it has been obvious for a while. Their pace is such an asset breaking forward and covering break aways
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For me the game changed when Sako came on and gave us a willing running target man. He won us a number of corners and kept the pressure on them and managed to keep two of their defenders busy every time. Once he came on and Roy changed over our two backs there was only one team in it. It's pointless knocking long high balls with only Wilf and Andros up front because neither of them can head it. Sako was one of the few who had played on Tuesday against Bristol City where he also played well and yet against West Ham he was still full of running.
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I believe PVA did think he was going to come back on. He was stretching his leg and positioning himself to come back on, when he was told he was being replaced. His facial expression and appearing to say "What?" when he realized he was being replaced made it clear he was surprised. Which is odd. Stormed past everyone to the dug out back row seats talking to himself.

All seemed a bit odd, as surely the physio and he would have discussed it on the field, or overheard his communication with the bench.
Thank goodness he went off, because he shouldn't have been on in the first place after another poor performance on Tuesday.
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I think we need to be a little more gung ho from the start. Not team selection or anything just pace of play and risk taking.

We always start as if we've been told to keep possession, keep shape, try to be too methodical. And we are rubbish at it.

We play our best when we play like an ice hockey team. Breaking at pace in waves, people running with the ball at different angles, releasing the ball quickly from the back.
We have some great dribblers of the ball. Get it to them quick whilst they have space and let them cause havoc.

Against Chelsea we did it for 90 mins and it was great.
We should just leave the clinical, hold the ball and wear them down tactics to the Arsenals and Chelseas of this world and we should go for the chaos approach.
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I think it has been obvious for a while. Their pace is such an asset breaking forward and covering break aways
Definitely. We looked so much better with both of them at full back.
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Although neither is great positionally, that is coachable. And again their pace gets them out of trouble.

Schlupp simply doesn't have the skills to be an attacker at this level
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Was in the main stand. Definitely a strop. Threw his shirt Away and had words with the physio.
Iím in Main Stand too.

Weíll have to disagree in our interpretation of his anger then.

I just donít think you can say definitively what happened with PVA unless you could actually hear what he said, which presumably you didnít as you would have posted it.

Iím not the only one who thought he was frustrated to be injured and therefore subbed, and had a flash of anger about it. Thatís not the same as being angry with the physio or disagreeing with the decision.

So his reaction can be interpreted in more than one way.

If he wasnít injured and didnít want to risk being subbed, then he wouldnít have gone to ground during play for so long and waited for treatment. If he felt the physio was wrong, he could have got up and jogged about to prove his fitness rather than walking slowly off.

He tossed aside a tracksuit top he was offered as he reached the dugout, not his shirt.
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JS 5 no mistakes but nothing much to do
Ward 4 below average
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PVA should never have started
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Luka 5 bad for their goal so -2
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It's funny or ironic that people are saying we need pacy full backs especially at home and state that ward isn't up to it.....well isn't that what FDB was trying to do and said about ward.....reportedly. I said many times that full back and wingback aren't different roles. It's a different mindset.
As to YC. His performance yesterday seems to have impressed a lot of people. To me he played how he normally plays....works his nuts off every game. Note he is often chasing dwn oposition backpasses. He is more noticeable as he has a bit more freedom with Luka behind him.
The team that finished the game should have been the one that started it Imo. And should start the next unless Sakho fit then he replaces dann

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It's funny or ironic that people are saying we need pacy full backs especially at home and state that ward isn't up to it.....well isn't that what FDB was trying to do and said about ward.....reportedly. I said many times that full back and wingback aren't different roles. It's a different mindset.
As to YC. His performance yesterday seems to have impressed a lot of people. To me he played how he normally plays....works his nuts off every game. Note he is often chasing dwn oposition backpasses. He is more noticeable as he has a bit more freedom with Luka behind him.
The team that finished the game should have been the one that started it Imo. And should start the next unless Sakho fit then he replaces dann
Agreed and if the team who finished had started, we would quite probably have won.
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