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Old 08-03-2018, 12:01 PM
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It keeps May, the conservative government, and the Brexit feck up off the front pages for long enough to stretch to the royal wedding.
Incredibly cynical but not beyond the realms of possibility. UK organizations allowed it to happen to news flood and hide other news, would explain why it wasn't hushed up.
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Old 08-03-2018, 12:13 PM
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Using a nerve agent, particularly one that nobody is owning up to on the streets of another country could be construed as an act of war.
By whom and against which definition?
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:17 PM
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All a bit sinister and 1970s. Nobody told the secret services it is 2018.

The police are investigating, Boris is making a lot of noise, what are the next steps?

What happens if someone high up in Russia says they did.

Is that the point where the story suddenly goes away?

It keeps May, the conservative government, and the Brexit feck up off the front pages for long enough to stretch to the royal wedding.
How much coverage is the Saudi visit getting ?
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:21 PM
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It wouldn't take much to have a Russian dominated Europe,
Icredible pant wetting from someone who is probably building his own protect and survive shelter as we speak...he has lost the plot.
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:23 PM
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How much coverage is the Saudi visit getting ?

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Old 08-03-2018, 02:49 PM
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Doubt it. If it was a nerve agent then it was likely done by placing it in contact with his skin or as an aerosol like the assassination of Kim Jong's cousin last year. This would explain how the first responders became sick on contact with Skirpal (i don't think this is possible if he'd ingested a substance).



Unless you are expecting to be assassinated by a nation state then i don't think you have much to worry about. You can't exactly knock VX up in a shed.
Not sure the policeman agrees with that
If you have minimal contact with this stuff you could die
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:45 PM
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Not sure the policeman agrees with that
If you have minimal contact with this stuff you could die
True, although the prognosis for the police officer is pretty positive. That said, most nerve agents have a short lifespan. VX gas I think is pretty much inert in about 10-20 seconds after exposure to the air. Of course it'll kill you inside of that (and its heavier than air, which is why the Tokyo Subway attack wasn't a total f**king nightmare). They're generally weaponised as an aerosol warhead.

All of which probably means someone had gone to a lot of effort to make something very nasty with a very specific means of conducting pretty grim murder (when realistically, it'd be a lot quicker and less 'profile' to just kill the guy in a 'mugging gone wrong').

Sounds like it was in a drink or liquid, which would likely extend its life, but dilute its potency.
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Old 08-03-2018, 04:40 PM
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All a bit sinister and 1970s. Nobody told the secret services it is 2018.

The police are investigating, Boris is making a lot of noise, what are the next steps?

What happens if someone high up in Russia says they did.

Is that the point where the story suddenly goes away?

It keeps May, the conservative government, and the Brexit feck up off the front pages for long enough to stretch to the royal wedding.
Why would the story go away?

There is little / zero doubt that the Russians did this. They won't admit it - why would they? This is a no brainer for the Russians - sends a stark warning to those who 'betray' their country and will go down very well with their domestic audience.

Of course we'll take diplomatic action whether Russia admits it or not but it can't be very impactful.
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Old 08-03-2018, 04:44 PM
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Why would the story go away?

There is little / zero doubt that the Russians did this. They won't admit it - why would they? This is a no brainer for the Russians - sends a stark warning to those who 'betray' their country and will go down very well with their domestic audience.

Of course we'll take diplomatic action whether Russia admits it or not but it can't be very impactful.
& rightly so.

Good work Russia.
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True, although the prognosis for the police officer is pretty positive. That said, most nerve agents have a short lifespan. VX gas I think is pretty much inert in about 10-20 seconds after exposure to the air. Of course it'll kill you inside of that (and its heavier than air, which is why the Tokyo Subway attack wasn't a total f**king nightmare). They're generally weaponised as an aerosol warhead.

All of which probably means someone had gone to a lot of effort to make something very nasty with a very specific means of conducting pretty grim murder (when realistically, it'd be a lot quicker and less 'profile' to just kill the guy in a 'mugging gone wrong').

Sounds like it was in a drink or liquid, which would likely extend its life, but dilute its potency.
I think you may be getting VX and Sarin confused.
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& rightly so.

Good work Russia.
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Why would the story go away?

There is little / zero doubt that the Russians did this. They won't admit it - why would they? This is a no brainer for the Russians - sends a stark warning to those who 'betray' their country and will go down very well with their domestic audience.

Of course we'll take diplomatic action whether Russia admits it or not but it can't be very impactful.
What about this for a plan - how about we do nothing save for a public enquiry lasting 4 or 5 years costing millions in lawyer fees. It did the trick with Litvinienko.
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Hmm the only problem with that view is that you're trolling
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Considering they are all NATO members you would like to think we (NATO) would have acted at Estonia let alone Latvia.
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How much coverage is the Saudi visit getting ?
Done without fuss. Shell announces gas tie up with Saudis. The largest company on the UK stock market solves it's reserve replacement ratio which would otherwise start to bite in the late 2020s? Maybe.
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