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Life was not very good living under V2 rockets, no true winners in war and thankfully and hopefully we never ever see modern missiles and nuclear weapons ever put to use , because that will make a crazy BBS thread ( If it still exists!).

Never mind that it will cause chaos with Palace fixtures!
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Not being nit-picky, but modern missiles are used on civilians every single day We're just lucky enough to live in a country that doesn't suffer from it.
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So, Bomber Command strategy under Harris - justifiable?
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So, Bomber Command strategy under Harris - justifiable?
'They have sown the wind.Now they will reap the whirlwind'!
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Not being nit-picky, but modern missiles are used on civilians every single day We're just lucky enough to live in a country that doesn't suffer from it.
Yes I know but I meant Missiles with a nuclear warhead.
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So, Bomber Command strategy under Harris - justifiable?
Even now to visit places like Dresden and Hamburg brings it home, I am open to correction but I think that 45.000 perished in one night in Hamburg from firebombs, a remaining Cathedral , burnt out stands as a memorial.

Sad/ Bad as it is, it certainly shortened the war.
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So, Bomber Command strategy under Harris - justifiable?
Bombing Dresden with high explosives to hinder escape and the emergency services before dropping incendiary bombs to create a firestorm that killed thousands of civilians.Raids like this were primarily designed to dehouse the local factory workers and more importantly demoralise the civilian population.It is questionable whether they succeeded in either.
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So, Bomber Command strategy under Harris - justifiable?
My late grandma was in the WAF and I've recently learned inadvertently played a direct role in the planning for the destruction of Dresden.

Wish I'd known and asked her about it when was alive to be honest.
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My late grandma was in the WAF and I've recently learned inadvertently played a direct role in the planning for the destruction of Dresden.

Wish I'd known and asked her about it when was alive to be honest.
Obeying orders just like the bomber crews who were cruelly ignored and even vilified for the very dangerous job that they had to do..
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Obeying orders just like the bomber crews who were cruelly ignored and even vilified for the very dangerous job that they had to do..

BC crews were vilified/ignored?

By whom?
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By whom?
I believe all the other of our fighting services were honoured after the war apart from Bomber Command.Also during the 60s revisionist historians attacked the policy of area bombing and by association the men who carried it out.Harris himself was considered a cruel and vindictive man.
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I believe all the other of our fighting services were honoured after the war apart from Bomber Command.Also during the 60s revisionist historians attacked the policy of area bombing and by association the men who carried it out.Harris himself was considered a cruel and vindictive man.

Ahh, sure. Understood.
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Ahh, sure. Understood.
A complex character Harris.Totally unrepentant after the war he was a dour and gruff man who was married to a strikingly beautiful woman half his age but seemed to prefer the company of his dog..,
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Sad/ Bad as it is, it certainly shortened the war.

Are you referring to Hamburg itself or the strategy of targeting cities with large populations?
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My late grandma was in the WAF and I've recently learned inadvertently played a direct role in the planning for the destruction of Dresden.

Wish I'd known and asked her about it when was alive to be honest.
Amazing what you find out. My late grandfather was a POW and ended up doing the 1,000 mile march from Poland in '45. Not something that was widely covered at the time but by the time I tried recording this he'd gone dotty. Missed opportunity. Carpe diem.
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Amazing what you find out. My late grandfather was a POW and ended up doing the 1,000 mile march from Poland in '45. Not something that was widely covered at the time but by the time I tried recording this he'd gone dotty. Missed opportunity. Carpe diem.

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Bombing Dresden with high explosives to hinder escape and the emergency services before dropping incendiary bombs to create a firestorm that killed thousands of civilians.Raids like this were primarily designed to dehouse the local factory workers and more importantly demoralise the civilian population.It is questionable whether they succeeded in either.
They weren't anywhere near accurate enough to target 'escape routes' especially at night. Pathfinders helped, volume was enough.

They needed to 'open another front' against Germany so that forces and resources where held back against Stalin, who was constantly complaining about the lack of army engagement, despite North Africa. Given the choice I'd rather have been on the ground tbh, 8% of the bombers went down per raid to flak traps and nightfighters, despite advancements and trickery. Bomber crew had to be the worst night shift you could get.

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Dunkirk. He was a POW for five years. However, there is a view he was fortunate. The Royal West Kents just were just about wiped out in the tennis court at Kohima. He lived to 97.
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Amazing what you find out. My late grandfather was a POW and ended up doing the 1,000 mile march from Poland in '45. Not something that was widely covered at the time but by the time I tried recording this he'd gone dotty. Missed opportunity. Carpe diem.
On holiday in Cyprus years ago my parents met a German couple.He had been a tank commander on the eastern front and had fought at the Kiev encirclement,the recapture of Kharkov and the biggest tank battle ever at Kursk.After a few beers he would tell me about those times.Imagine as a keen teenage student of the Second World War being told about it by a real Panzer commander!
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