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Old 27-09-2017, 10:02 AM
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Now the fiscalia wants the mossos to seal all the schools where voting normally happens at 6 on Friday. Putting them between a rock and a hard place. I can see them closing TV3 before Sunday.
Yep, was watching that on the TV at the gym this morning. Also going after the Mossos chief too, something about tax evasion? Apparently 2,300 schools have to be closed.
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Old 27-09-2017, 10:13 AM
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Yep. Thankfully they've offered the Nacional and Guardia civil to help if needed.
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Yep. Thankfully they've offered the Nacional and Guardia civil to help if needed.
Two fascist, armed groups, guarding schools, what could go wrong?
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Old 27-09-2017, 10:54 AM
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I wouldn't call either of those groups fascists. A lot of Guardia Civil died protecting Barcelona from the military coup in the 1930s.
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I wouldn't call either of those groups fascists. A lot of Guardia Civil died protecting Barcelona from the military coup in the 1930s.
They are bastards, nasty bastards

Fasces on their badge, set up to protect Franco and his boys. Spot the difference;
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They maybe all the Spanish version of Dixon of Dock Green up in Madrid, but down here they ain't very nice.
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The most violent behaviour I've seen in Spain by police forces has consistently been by the local police forces, including (I might even say, especially) the Mossos in Catalunya and against football fans or in Madrid and Barcelona, against political protesters.
No doubt there are thugs in the Guardia Civil, but to call them fascists when they wee in the front line against the fascist coup - well, it's the kind of talk that's really not helping this situation.
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Old 27-09-2017, 11:17 AM
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The most violent behaviour I've seen in Spain by police forces has consistently been by the local police forces, including (I might even say, especially) the Mossos in Catalunya and against football fans or in Madrid and Barcelona, against political protesters.
The Mossos do have a reputation, but their forces don;t come down here

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No doubt there are thugs in the Guardia Civil, but to call them fascists when they wee in the front line against the fascist coup - well, it's the kind of talk that's really not helping this situation.
Weeing on a frontline is brave though. We can't even wee in an alley without getting arrested.
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If the Spanish government does end up increasing the share of national resources to one of the wealthiest regions to appease the nationalists - Catalonia - which poorer regions will get less?
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Old 27-09-2017, 11:34 AM
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The Guardia Civil were set up in 1844 st the end of the war of independence.The fasces etc were introduced into the logo in 1943 by, yeah, guess who. It's a Roman symbol used all over the world, in the French shield, the US senate shield, all over South America....
It doesn't make modern Guardias fascists.
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Old 27-09-2017, 11:50 AM
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It's also the Guardia Civil doing all the legwork, arrests and document diezure in all the many corruption cases all over Spain? Are they fascists when they bust the highest officials in the PP? Or only when they get the ruling party in Catalunya?
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Old 27-09-2017, 12:15 PM
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That the Guardia Civil sided with the people in Barcelona, was the exception across Spain. It was probably also a practical decision given the weight of numbers.

Of course it was still the right decision and their subsequent bravery has to be honoured. However, Franco took the police force and the Guardia Civil in particular far far further right. They were undoubtedly a force of state repression particularly in peskily independent regions such as the Basque country and Catalunya.

Today they are surely instruments of the central state, I don't see any independence of thought or liberal tendency lurking underneath that three pointed headwear
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Old 27-09-2017, 12:19 PM
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I'm quite surprised to see El Aguila sticking up for the Guardia civil, were they not basically Franco's bully boys?

I'm very suspicious and uncomfortable with them.
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They can seize all the documents they like. They'll just get burnt in helpful fires as happened in Valencia recently.

There needed to be a clean break 40 years ago but nobody had the bottle for it. As it was they reared up anyway to save the country from the red hoards who wanted crazy things like divorce.

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That the Guardia Civil sided with the people in Barcelona, was the exception across Spain. It was probably also a practical decision given the weight of numbers.

Of course it was still the right decision and their subsequent bravery has to be honoured. However, Franco took the police force and the Guardia Civil in particular far far further right. They were undoubtedly a force of state repression particularly in peskily independent regions such as the Basque country and Catalunya.

Today they are surely instruments of the central state, I don't see any independence of thought or liberal tendency lurking underneath that three pointed headwear
That's pretty much how I see it. Where I used to live every single village had an old Guardia civil station/prison in it, they basically enforced harsh laws, curfews, banned locals from speaking Catalan etc generally not very nice people to be dealing with.
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The fasces etc were introduced into the logo in 1943 by, yeah, guess who. It's a Roman symbol used all over the world, in the French shield, the US senate shield, all over South America....
It doesn't make modern Guardias fascists.
Ěsn´t that the same excuse nazis use about the swastika?
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Their usual m.o. was (and is) "Por los amigos el favor, por el enemigo la ley"
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Got many many examples of that. Especially from the time i went out with a woman whose ex was Guardia Civil.
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They are an instrument of the central state; the Mossos are an instrument of the Catalan bourgeoisie. The Guardias are busting the central government. The Mossos are never going to do that to the Catalan government. Can there be any doubt about that?
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That's pretty much how I see it. Where I used to live every single village had an old Guardia civil station/prison in it, they basically enforced harsh laws, curfews, banned locals from speaking Catalan etc generally not very nice people to be dealing with.
You're saying that in this century you saw Guardias banning locals from speaking Catalan?
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They are an instrument of the central state; the Mossos are an instrument of the Catalan bourgeoisie. The Guardias are busting the central government. The Mossos are never going to do that to the Catalan government. Can there be any doubt about that?
Who staged a coup?
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