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Old 14-11-2017, 03:17 PM
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So what happens if separatists get a majority? I guess they can't hold a binding referendum so they just push for more autonomy?
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They’re going to open up the Constitution in this Parliament, the ideal solution to all this would be to change the constitution so there can be an agreed referendum.
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They’re going to open up the Constitution in this Parliament, the ideal solution to all this would be to change the constitution so there can be an agreed referendum.
Doesn't seem very likely though.
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Two planes paid for by the Catalan taxpayer?
No. Everyone pays their own way. €350 odd with the hotel I think.
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The airport is though
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Are you in?
Also, when is this? I’m going to Brussels in a couple of weeks. I could hand out sarnies and mugs of soup, if necessary.

Edit, 7th of December, bang on the Puente. Well chosen date.
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Doesn't seem very likely though.
It will be either that or a deal of some sort to split the independentista cause. I hope it’s a referendum.... the government has a very weak position in Parliament and I think that will eventually bring about the desired result. Of course it is all very hard to read (I expected them to defuse this, months ago).
I also predict the consellers who are doing bird will be out before the end of this month.
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Are you in?
Also, when is this? I’m going to Brussels in a couple of weeks. I could hand out sarnies and mugs of soup, if necessary.

Edit, 7th of December, bang on the Puente. Well chosen date.
If I had 350€ kicking around I'd pop over to Selhurst. Twice.
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Old 16-11-2017, 11:56 AM
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The PP will be tried in Madrid for destruction of computers in the Barcenas corruption case - the first time a party has actually been taken to court for corruption (as opposed to individuals) over here.
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Old 19-11-2017, 09:17 AM
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The top man in the fiscalía has died in Buenos Aires. It'll be interesting to see who takes over from him.
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Old 23-11-2017, 06:27 PM
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ERC and PDeCAT have renounced secession - the CUP are sticking with it. This may open the possibility of pacts that will surprise our overseas fans - such as ERC, PSC and Catalunya en Común?
I’m feeling that the imprisoned will be freed in the next few days - the Supreme Court has taken the case off the hands of the Audiencia Nacional - and that may deflate the right wing nationalist vote; their electoral list is based around the guys in prison.
It’s all about the coalitions in Catalunya, the political offering is very diverse.
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Not sure it's exactly renouncing secession, more trying to get the security forces off their backs? They still demand a referendum or something like it, Pudgemont still claims to lead the legitimate government, they don't accept 155.

In other news, Pudgemont reveals the reason he didn't call UDI was because Spain told him the tanks would be sent in; the Spanish parliament has awarded medals to the police who smashed heads on 1 October and, with some style, the state now claims the police had their rights infringed by protestors; Spain's 'justice' minister jokes about that day's injuries, and a fascist who vandalised a Catalan office for the cameras walks free. Just happens to have relatives in high office.
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Well, by renouncing secession I mean they have declared that they will no longer seek or promote a unilateral declaration of independence.
I can't really see a better way of putting it!
Puigdemont did make a DUI, didn't he? Or is he now saying he didn't? What would supposedly be the point the tanks went in and, are we really going to believe what Puigdemont says?
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It's a big claim. He'd be an idiot to make it if not true. He may be that idiot for all I know. Has there been a response from Madrid?

A back channel conversation from what it sounds like. How far are you prepared to go? Well I'm for an amicable outcome, of course, but I hear there are elements seeking a, shall we say, stronger solution. You mean a military one? I mean nothing, but some of our more vociferous colleagues report mention of tanks, rumours I'm sure. When's the next flight to Brussels?
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In other news, Pudgemont reveals the reason he didn't call UDI was because Spain told him the tanks would be sent in; the Spanish parliament has awarded medals to the police who smashed heads on 1 October and, with some style, the state now claims the police had their rights infringed by protestors; Spain's 'justice' minister jokes about that day's injuries, and a fascist who vandalised a Catalan office for the cameras walks free. Just happens to have relatives in high office.
Who knew ?
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I didn’t see Puigdemont’s claim. I saw Rovira, the ERC candidate, claimed that the Spanish gov’t had threatened “blood on the streets” in the case of a UDI. Some minister said it was bollocks, but..... nobody really believed her, anyway. They have to save face.

It’s much simpler than all that, I think. There was never enough popular support for secession in the first place. How are you going to tear a country apart without at least a minimal majority?
I think the bluff has strengthened their negotiating hand for a referendum. Or for a change of status. It will happen.
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Where did you get the thing about the medals, Elephant? There was a scary and disgraceful law introduced by the PP when they had a majority which eliminated the obligation for police to wear identity tags in “crowd control” situations, and enabled them to wear dark visors to cover their faces. You can also get fined for filming police brutality in these situations. It’s not much use hiding their identities if they’re then going to decorate them for thuggery!
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It was on the Catalan for Yes twitter. Looking at it again, there don't appear to be any links to other sources. I've been fake newsed good and proper.
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There must be something in it, I'll have a look.
I know one of the Police unions has made up "Tweety Pie" patches to commemorate the operation. And has sold over a thousand.
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