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Article 50 [not just another Brexit thread]

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I wonder what people see in Theresa May and her career to make them think she can manage this delicate operation while carrying her MPs, voters and business sponsors along with her. Baffles me.

Yes, we've managed to put ourselves in a massively complex situation managed by a massively incompetent government. Impressive.
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Indeed. May's ministerial performance was dreadful, somehow resulting in promotion to PM. If only we had a credible opposition.
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It is laughable. Giving the right wingers the power to mess with all of the safeguards put in place by the EU to protect the very people who voted Brexit. While May and her cronies retain control we will see an ever widening gap between rich and poor. For all of its faults the EU provides a pragmatic counterbalance to political extremes.
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It is laughable. Giving the right wingers the power to mess with all of the safeguards put in place by the EU to protect the very people who voted Brexit. While May and her cronies retain control we will see an ever widening gap between rich and poor. For all of its faults the EU provides a pragmatic counterbalance to political extremes.
Are you talking in regard to safeguards put in place by the ECHR, or by the EU?
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Old 03-10-2016, 08:14 AM
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The Eu I would think.
I'm only after clarification given it's the ECHR that deals with all the human rights stuff as opposed to the EU, dear Matthew.
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I think it is less now about EU regulatory safeguards and more about how we uphold our national system of representative democracy. If May restricts Parliamentary debate now on issues under A50 and then goes on to set it up for future Ministers to decide under their own power what legislation is repealed or replaced, and how, particularly if secondary legislation is predominantly used to speed the process up, then we have effectively ignored swathes of our Bill of Rights with its supplementary Constitutional conventions. That takes up back hundreds of years.
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It is laughable. Giving the right wingers the power to mess with all of the safeguards put in place by the EU to protect the very people who voted Brexit. While May and her cronies retain control we will see an ever widening gap between rich and poor. For all of its faults the EU provides a pragmatic counterbalance to political extremes.
Indeed. This was one of the main reasons I voted remain.
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I'm only after clarification given it's the ECHR that deals with all the human rights stuff as opposed to the EU
I think most folks know that.
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Eu of course. Laws and directives concerning workers rights and protections. Anyone thinking that may is on the side of the common man is sadly mistaken. We will be governed by the ruling elite without any checks and balances. The tories have mist definitely taken back control
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Hmmmm. Everyone has been clamouring for a bit of clarity from the Government.

They have now been very clear about the direction of travel. I don't see any problem at all.
so do you think it makes ones negtioating position stronger or wealer to reveal the date and basicly reveal the kind of deal you are hoping to get. Let me answer it for you its an elementary level mistake.
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so do you think it makes ones negtioating position stronger or wealer to reveal the date and basicly reveal the kind of deal you are hoping to get. Let me answer it for you its an elementary level mistake.
It seems that the potential manner and consequences of any departure is of zero consequence compared to the simple action of leaving as quickly as possible.
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My dad thinks that May is incompetent and not up to the job and the Deutsche Bank position is not as bad as it looks (unless US interest rates go up).
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Well tough luck, then.

If we want to trade with the EU after Brexit our products will have to meet their laws, rules and regulations.
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As long as changes are debated in Parliament and not decided behind closed doors.
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While in the EU, it's even better than that: Parliament agrees on all legislation, whether agreed at EU level or not. And it has prior approval of all decisions made by Government at EU level. May promised her conference she would exclude Parliament. That may mean only May and the Ministers she appoints decide, under executive power, and you will not have elected May or her Minister unless you live in their constituency. Nor may you have given her a mandate as the referendum was after the Election. If she decides to lay secondary legislation then it will be drafted by civil servants and passed by loyal MPs with little scrutiny.
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Remainers winding themselves up by making more and more outlandish claims.
And which bit exactly do you disagree with?
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