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Old 14-08-2018, 10:21 PM
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Labour vs Tory policies

What are the major policy difference between the two? Or not?

Housing, NHS, the economy, migration etc

(*brexit has its own thread)
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Old 14-08-2018, 10:24 PM
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It's for all abilities I'd imagine, even those with certificates written in Comic Sans.
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What are the major policy difference between the two? Or not?



Housing, NHS, the economy, migration etc



(*brexit has its own thread)

Both want stable civil society with employment and a NHS that is sustainable, houses and all the nice stuff that keeps the voters voting for them.

Only main difference is one party understands that Govt does not have its own money. The other is utopia until other people’s money runs out.
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It's for all abilities I'd imagine, even those with certificates written in Comic Sans.
Maybe you’ll tell us the policy difference, then.
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Both want stable civil society with employment and a NHS that is sustainable, houses and all the nice stuff that keeps the voters voting for them.

Only main difference is one party understands that Govt does not have its own money. The other is utopia until other people’s money runs out.
Whose money do the Tories spend?
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Whose money do the Tories spend?
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Maybe you’ll tell us the policy difference, then.
Tory.
Strong and stable
Brexit means Brexit
**** the poor.
In it for ourselves.

Labour
For the many , not the few.
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Labour
For the many , not the few.
For the many who think the money is there to spend, not the few who know it is not?
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What are the major policy difference between the two? Or not?

Housing, NHS, the economy, migration etc

(*brexit has its own thread)
Both claim to have policies that will resolve the issues inflated by the media around these primary policy areas. The conservatives approach will involve spending as little as possible, typically by outsourcing the issue to a third party, that if it show some success on a statistical basis (such as building more homes, that people still can't afford, or showing a decline in working migrants, without improving wages, or showing investment in hospitals which has come from selling of mental health and less popular essential services. Eventually under investment, will result in increased costs of living because of outsourcing profits, and less effective services - requiring people to spend more, resulting in economic catastrophy. Increasingly outsources will lay people off, and employ cheaper less skilled workers on a pittance that is unsustainable long term, resulting in increased benefits costs and more cuts etc etc.

Labour will achieve actual significant success in these areas, but by borrowing money, because the country can't afford it based on current revenue. This will create a brief swell of confidence and well being, but will be entirely dependent on a best case scenario of economics - ie debit based on that swell of confidence and well being - which as economics teaches us - is going to fail, resulting in a crash, that results in having to either secretly raise taxes, resulting in the cost of living getting 'hairy', increased borrowing resulting in an eventual cash with lots of people losing their jobs - or raised taxes to a point that causes people to lose their jobs.

End result of both scenarios is, we're f**ked.
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For the many who think the money is there to spend, not the few who know it is not?
Unless it's QE to help the financial sector.

But no, we can't find money to invest in the people / infrastructure or manufacturing which will lead to a return on the investment in job creation, more disposable income and a better quality of life, we go the Tory way and allow foreign investors in to do it and over charge us whilst adding to the coffers of those who grease the wheels to make it happen.

The Tory attitude to public investment in infrastructure. An analogy.

Bloke needs a wall building for his company. Gets 2 people in for quotes. One a bricky, the other a Tory.

Bricky quotes £2k for the work. The Tory quotes £4k.

The bloke goes for the Tory quote because he told him. 'Take my quote to your boss, we'll pay the bricky £1.5k and share the rest between us.'
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Unless it's QE to help the financial sector.

But no, we can't find money to invest in the people / infrastructure or manufacturing which will lead to a return on the investment in job creation, more disposable income and a better quality of life, we go the Tory way and allow foreign investors in to do it and over charge us whilst adding to the coffers of those who grease the wheels to make it happen.

The Tory attitude to public investment in infrastructure. An analogy.

Bloke needs a wall building for his company. Gets 2 people in for quotes. One a bricky, the other a Tory.

Bricky quotes £2k for the work. The Tory quotes £4k.

The bloke goes for the Tory quote because he told him. 'Take my quote to your boss, we'll pay the bricky £1.5k and share the rest between us.'
Your boy wants to do a debt equity swap over utilities. That’s not public investment in infratructure, it’s called acquirin a cash flow and is being done purely for ideological reasons rather than any benefit it will provide, because it isn’t providing any benefit. It’s just loading UK plc with a shit ton of debt for zero purpose.
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I quite liked the Tory policy on taxing the dead. We will never see its like again unfortunately.

Properly bold and redistributive. Things we always say we want but don't really.
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Both want stable civil society with employment and a NHS that is sustainable, houses and all the nice stuff that keeps the voters voting for them.

Only main difference is one party understands that Govt does not have its own money. The other is utopia until other people’s money runs out.
Christ. How depressing. If only they actually taught real world economics in schools we might not be in this mess.
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Labour’s policy of 100,000 council and social housing homes a year is a great one. The tories have run down public housing for decades with a huge detriment to the country, including an ever growing housing benefit bill to private landlords.

New labour weren’t much better.
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What is Labour’s official policy on Brexit?
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