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Old 19-09-2018, 07:38 PM
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Israel/Palestine, 2018

Rather than derail the Gaza massacre thread, here is a general thread that is apparently wanted.
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I hesitate to post on this (in anticipation of a furore of self-righteousness,allegations of whataboutery, being characterised as an Israeli apologist and even as being akin to a defender of Stalin again).

I think Israel's actions are in many cases utterly deplorable and deserve widespread opprobrium. I support a boycott of Israeli goods produced within the occupied territories.

I do think it an interesting question as to why so many here and in general are so outraged about Israel as to be motivated to post/speak out/march about it regularly but,for example, an equally dodgy comparator (European country, 'democracy' and NATO member) Turkey doesn't attract anything like the same constant level of expressed opprobrium.

I don't put that down to simply saying 'anti-semitism' but its an interesting question,if pure outrage about oppression by a 'democratic' country is the motivating factor.

The frequency of the application of the term 'apartheid' to Israel but not to other countries equally or in technical terms more deserving of it is also interesting,given the use of the term invokes a state of affairs above and beyond 'normal' oppression thus calling for an extraordinary near unique level of outrage..

The crux of the support for the anti-apartheid movement (in which I was active back in the day) was outrage at the idea of people being excluded from the electoral franchise because of race.

The term is frequently now applied to Israel (where there is a universal franchise within pre 1967 borders) but not, for example, often applied to Iran (which does not have a universal franchise) or to Malaysia (which enshrines racial inequality in its constitution and operates statutory racial discrimination in areas like educational access). Or to Myanmar..or to Turkey.

It is interesting,as an example, that a member of Labour's NEC can be fervently anti-zionist (fair enough) but seemingly not see a problem in endorsing the regime in Iran ,which has a non-universal franchise based on ethnicity and discriminates against gays and women...and Jews. This doesn't seem to cause paroxysms of outrage amongst their supporters over this seeming double standard.Why so?

I reiterate that I do not suggest there is some simplistic equation that says focusing on Israel equals anti-semitism,and I think there may be a number of reasons for what seems to me a disparity...and it is (would be ) good to be able to discuss it rationally without being depicted as near demonic.
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Another day, another thread on Israel. I thought this was the BBS not the BBC.
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There's already a debate on this on another thread with loads of posts. Tut Tut,CR.

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Old 19-09-2018, 10:24 PM
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Rather than derail the Gaza massacre thread, here is a general thread that is apparently wanted.
You missed posts 280-319
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Old 19-09-2018, 10:25 PM
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Yeap which was derailing the thread.
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Old 19-09-2018, 10:31 PM
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Yeap which was turning the thread away from the only perspectives (being a progressive democrat) I wanted to be allowed to be discussed.
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What do we debate on this thread?
Its impending demise?
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I'm going to boycott this thread and anyone with any links to it. I'm then going to abuse anyone who posts on it and hit people over the head with my placard whilst promoting ethical and socialist principles.
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So you can whitewash US Embassy move / Nakba day - More Palestinian massacred from the thread titles? Sickening.
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So you can whitewash US Embassy move / Nakba day - More Palestinian massacred from the thread titles? Sickening.
Yeah sure,I'm just trying to 'whitewash' (interesting term for a progressive) any evil deeds by Israel. Dearie me.Get a life,precious one.

You are welcome to post something about Israeli atrocities whenever you like on that thread.CR posted stuff about things other than Gaza/Nakba all the time.But that's ok because it was things he or you agreed with? Gordon Bennett

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