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Old 19-07-2017, 10:36 AM
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Delicate little snowflake, aren't you... I stand by those statements (they aren't insults).

You've said far, far worse to me.

Anyway, I'm surprised you haven't shot EE down for claiming that drivers could be pushing wheelchair users on and off the trains (which you, macstar and others did when I asked about it before).
No, and I have no problem with you calling me fraud/arse... it's fine.. just don't cry when you get some back.

I won't be pushing wheelchairs on, I've been told directly by a manager not to... the feeling is, they're looking for someone to make a example of.

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Old 19-07-2017, 10:41 AM
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Delicate little snowflake, aren't you... I stand by those statements (they aren't insults).

You've said far, far worse to me.

Anyway, I'm surprised you haven't shot EE down for claiming that drivers could be pushing wheelchair users on and off the trains (which you, macstar and others did when I asked about it before).
Clever.

I said that's what would happen if these tory feckwits manage to win.

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Old 19-07-2017, 10:45 AM
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"Don't blame you. Know we may have got off on the wrong foot in previous discussions, when I didn't really know as much as I do now about trains/Southern so apologies for that.

Good luck with this, I totally support the unions.

Do you think any further small compromises will be made before GTR win this?


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No need for apologies, I've probably been a bit short with people, when a bit more understanding was needed. I sadly think GTR will win, the feeling in the messroom at work is we're fighting the company and the government. Personally (if I stay at Southern) my stance is... these changes will be forced on me, I won't accept them or be bribed. The best we can do is get better CCTV/lighting at rural stations, and something in place for disabled/blind passengers.


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Old 19-07-2017, 10:54 AM
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Old 19-07-2017, 10:58 AM
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I find it funny that the conversation has gone from caring about the customers, to talking about how great everyone feels for not working their rest days (of course totally personal decision).

I though this was all about the customers? I am off to drive some trains soon. 8 car 455 (No cameras!) And two 10 car 377s. All DOO, so wish me luck chaps. Sounds like I am in for a nightmare of a day without a Super guard on board.
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:02 AM
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I find it funny that the conversation has gone from caring about the customers, to talking about how great everyone feels for not working their rest days (of course totally personal decision).

I though this was all about the customers? I am off to drive some trains soon. 8 car 455 (No cameras!) And two 10 car 377s. All DOO, so wish me luck chaps. Sounds like I am in for a nightmare of a day without a Super guard on board.
Having two parents both doing shift work and sorting childcare is challenging... not doing rest days makes that far less challenging.
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:04 AM
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I find it funny that the conversation has gone from caring about the customers, to talking about how great everyone feels for not working their rest days (of course totally personal decision).

I though this was all about the customers? I am off to drive some trains soon. 8 car 455 (No cameras!) And two 10 car 377s. All DOO, so wish me luck chaps. Sounds like I am in for a nightmare of a day without a Super guard on board.
Are the two concepts mutually exclusive then?
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:10 AM
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Playing devil's advocate, I could imagine some commuters being upset/offended by drivers gloating about their refusal to work rest says, when many commuter are suffering quite badly as a result of the refusal to work rest days. JAT.
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:16 AM
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I'm trying to see it from all sides, and personally I think GTR/the DfT, ASLEF, the RMT, [some] drivers and the MSM share responsibility in that order.

The only ones who don't deserve criticism are the commuters (aside from the morons who abuse drivers). It is just a shame certain drivers on here forget that and insult commuters for venting their frustrations with a situation which is out of our control.
I can certainly agree with that chatting with fellow passengers this morning (on the platform NOT the train natch) there is growing frustration that the govt is still "hiding" as it were happy to let Southern/govia cop the flack and obvious frustration to the unions too in so far as certain trains can run as DOO and others can't.

Its probably about time for more letters to our MP's urging pressure is applied to all sides.
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Playing devil's advocate, I could imagine some commuters being upset/offended by drivers gloating about their refusal to work rest says, when many commuter are suffering quite badly as a result of the refusal to work rest days. JAT.
What the ****? Why would anyone have to work a rest day? The clue is surely in the name.
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:20 AM
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What the ****? Why would anyone have to work a rest day? The clue is surely in the name.
I think the point is they have happily done it for years, and have chosen to stop doing it as part of an industrial dispute. When that dispute had a pause the trains all worked again because people were working their rest days out of choice.

They don't have to but the base position is that when given the choice to work rest days, drivers choose to and the service runs fine.

When this is all done drivers will choose to work their rest days again. Just as they did before and just as they did when the dispute was paused.
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:26 AM
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Playing devil's advocate, I could imagine some commuters being upset/offended by drivers gloating about their refusal to work rest says, when many commuter are suffering quite badly as a result of the refusal to work rest days. JAT.
Not gloating.... But I am thoroughly enjoying the positive impact it has made on my life.
I think there is going to be a serious problem with GTR getting drivers to work their R/D's in the future... A few colleagues have done the same as me... I know Racey has. You get used to having time off... it's gonna be a big ask for GTR to ask drivers to give them up.
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Playing devil's advocate, I could imagine some commuters being upset/offended by drivers gloating about their refusal to work rest says, when many commuter are suffering quite badly as a result of the refusal to work rest days. JAT.
Gloating?

Working normal hours is unreasonable?
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:28 AM
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I think the point is they have happily done it for years, and have chosen to stop doing it as part of an industrial dispute. When that dispute had a pause the trains all worked again because people were working their rest days out of choice.

They don't have to but the base position is that when given the choice to work rest days, drivers choose to and the service runs fine.

When this is all done drivers will choose to work their rest days again. Just as they did before and just as they did when the dispute was paused.
Yes but it's common sense that you're more likely to do your employer a 'favour' if you're happy in their employment. It's human nature to change that behaviour if you're in dispute.

If they're not contracted to work the day they can do as they like. I'd question the organisation as to why they're relying on staff working rest days to function properly. Doesn't seem the wisest move to me.

Edit - also now that they're used to it I'll be surprised if the majority want to work them again.
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I think the point is they have happily done it for years, and have chosen to stop doing it as part of an industrial dispute. When that dispute had a pause the trains all worked again because people were working their rest days out of choice.

They don't have to but the base position is that when given the choice to work rest days, drivers choose to and the service runs fine.

When this is all done drivers will choose to work their rest days again. Just as they did before and just as they did when the dispute was paused.
....and if the company employed sufficient staff, none of this would be happening.

And you wouldn't have made that post.
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I think the point is they have happily done it for years, and have chosen to stop doing it as part of an industrial dispute. When that dispute had a pause the trains all worked again because people were working their rest days out of choice.

They don't have to but the base position is that when given the choice to work rest days, drivers choose to and the service runs fine.

When this is all done drivers will choose to work their rest days again. Just as they did before and just as they did when the dispute was paused.
I disagree... Drivers make themselves available for rest day working, but it was never enough. Resource Managers at my old depot were always phoning drivers at home to get work covered. I've mentioned on here before, they got so desperate they would chop up jobs to fit around my school runs. Some drivers want O/T... some drivers don't.
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Yes but it's common sense that you're more likely to do your employer a 'favour' if you're happy in their employment. It's human nature to change that behaviour if you're in dispute.

If they're not contracted to work the day they can do as they like. I'd question the organisation as to why they're relying on staff working rest days to function properly. Doesn't seem the wisest move to me.

Edit - also now that they're used to it I'll be surprised if the majority want to work them again.
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Yes but it's common sense that you're more likely to do your employer a 'favour' if you're happy in their employment. It's human nature to change that behaviour if you're in dispute.

If they're not contracted to work the day they can do as they like. I'd question the organisation as to why they're relying on staff working rest days to function properly. Doesn't seem the wisest move to me.

Edit - also now that they're used to it I'll be surprised if the majority want to work them again.
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....and if the company employed sufficient staff, none of this would be happening.

And you wouldn't have made that post.
it would be happening. We'd simply see more strike action and less overtime bans. The model works throughout the rail industry and many other industries. I don't blame ASLEF for exploiting it now, I would in their position as well.

Going down a different route of lots more drivers simply pushes up costs and therefore fares and/or subsidy . The model works the vast majority of the time. And it wouldn't stop their being industrial action in a dispute. So you want to change it and increase everyone's fares why exactly?
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