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Old 23-02-2018, 10:36 AM
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What is so mad is not so much the NRA speak total and utter bollocks but the fact that there are enough people who believe them to maintain the status quo. Hopefully this latest shooting is the tipping point.
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Old 23-02-2018, 10:40 AM
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It won't be. That's what they said about Columbine etc.
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Old 23-02-2018, 10:43 AM
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What is so mad is not so much the NRA speak total and utter bollocks but the fact that there are enough people who believe them to maintain the status quo. Hopefully this latest shooting is the tipping point.
It almost certainly won’t be. You just need to look at the immediate response to see that.

This will sound horrific but for a single event to trigger a reaction like that you need way more deaths than that. For instance if three people had died in Grenfell tower do you think pretty much every local council would have been reviewing the types of cladding in properties? I am pretty certain they wouldn’t have. But near one hundred and.........

And US gun culture is way more ingrained into the national psyche. Would anything happen if someone managed to kill one hundred school children? I don’t know. One guy managed to kill 58 people and injure nearly a thousand and they haven’t even banned bump stocks.
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Old 23-02-2018, 10:51 AM
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Unfortunately Maz and Adlers both of you are right
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It occurred to me that this is another example of the “haves” v the “have not” but where the “have nots” (including the people keeping them there) are clearly wrong.

For the people in power that’s just trying to keep the status quo (billion dollar arms industry) and for the poor a lack of education and an insular culture.

Can’t see any of those things changing any time soon.

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What a surprise. If trained and experienced police officers find it hard to muster the courage to face up to a psycho indiscriminately blasting kids with an assault rifle, how are teachers expected to.

But at least he has his scapegoat now.
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What a surprise. If trained and experienced police officers find it hard to muster the courage to face up to a psycho indiscriminately blasting kids with an assault rifle, how are teachers expected to.

But at least he has his scapegoat now.
Bit rich that someone who avoided the Vietnam draft with various ailments such as a bruised foot should call someone a coward.
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Old 23-02-2018, 08:43 PM
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If six year olds can be shot up as they were in Sandy Hook and still nothing changes then there really is no hope out there in the U.S.

Tbh apart from WW2 and, arguably, Obamacare, what actual good have they at The White House done since? Lots of bad but very little in the way of good.

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Old 23-02-2018, 09:14 PM
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For me, the nonsense of arming teachers (or anyone) can be summed up in two words: To view the link you have to Register or Login Here was a gunman at a place where the targets had access to the most sophisticated personal weaponry, were (practically without exception) trained for a firefight, and in many cases were actual combat veterans. Yet he still killed 13, including three who were confronting him.

We all know Hollywood et al makes shit up and we don't take them seriously, except, it seems to me, when we mythologise action heroes - everyone thinks, "That would be me. That's what I would do." Bollocks. The reality is that in the face of violence it is very difficult to act in the ways we see on screen.
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Another issue I have with the NRA and the arms industry - in conjunction with their alt right allies - is their support of their 'war on drugs'.

The volume is on drugs being smuggled into the USA, the background noise for those who are interested is the shocking level of armed violence in Mexico, with thousands shot and killed every year.

The silence surrounds who is supplying the Mexican gangsters with all their weaponry and ammunition.

Yes America is profiting massively selling billions of dollars worth of arms to Mexican gangsters who then smuggle it over the border. The trade is open, but silent.
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Yeah. But all that is going to stop when Trump builds the wall. Isn't it?
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The volume is on drugs being smuggled into the USA, the background noise for those who are interested is the shocking level of armed violence in Mexico, with thousands shot and killed every year.

The silence surrounds who is supplying the Mexican gangsters with all their weaponry and ammunition.

Yes America is profiting massively selling billions of dollars worth of arms to Mexican gangsters who then smuggle it over the border. The trade is open, but silent.
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From what I can make out, and I am open to being wrong, the security guard did go in, he just didn't rush in like a headless chicken. He stopped and accessed the situation then went in.

Really feeling for the guy... I'm sure he is putting enough pressure on himself, without the President of the United States calling him out [sic] to the world.
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The latest is that To view the link you have to Register or Login and didn't go in either. "The Coral Springs officers were left "stunned" and "upset" when they found the four original deputies, who were first on the scene, outside hiding behind their cars." I believe that reinforces the point in my earlier post.
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Yeah... a tough call. Not sure any of us can say how we would react.

It does cast a shadow of doubt on everyone owning a gun theory making it safer though.
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Exactly - which is why I don't want to disparage the officers involved. I would not want to be in that situation and cannot conceive of how I would act if I were.
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These `sherifs deputies´. What kind of job is it? Are they actual policemen, or is it just a fancy title for someone on minimum wage?
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These `sherifs deputies´. What kind of job is it? Are they actual policemen, or is it just a fancy title for someone on minimum wage?
Not sure, but I do know that they wouldn't have been shot at by Bob Marley
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