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Old 13-03-2018, 09:40 PM
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We ate now coming to the sharp end of the season well in touch and with players coming back. It looks doable. Looking forward to our next couple of games
I’m not sure I’m looking forward to them tbh.

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Ifs, buts and maybes. We got a fairly soft penalty at home to City but failed to take advantage of it. Watford could have buried us in the first half at home - Deeney's miss from two years was incredible - and PVA could have been sent off just before Cleverley. Even at West Brom we were hanging on for dear life.

Yes, we have had more than our fair share of bad luck, but lets not pretend it's all one way. The table at the end of the season never lies.
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Old 13-03-2018, 10:00 PM
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I was one of these loons that wasn't fussed about relegation but I've changed my mind because of the stadium plans. Problem is now I want us to stay up it's more like torture than ever. However I'm feeling positive because Wilf is back and if we get a win Saturday everyone will be buzzing again.
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Old 13-03-2018, 10:04 PM
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I totally agree. It would be a footballing disaster for us but at least some of us would be prepared for it. It's going to come as a proper bombshell to the likes of Spindle Cock.
It's not so much as I can't imagine the possibility of relegation. But having followed this club for sooooo long, I'd like to simply muddle along as a top flight outfit until the inevitable does happen without having to spend the time we are here worrying about when it will end.

You might think I'm not facing up to reality. I call it unreserved optimism and I effing well deserve it!
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Yes, we have had more than our fair share of bad luck, but lets not pretend it's all one way. The table at the end of the season never lies.
Absolute bollocks. If that were the case then 2 years ago Leicester were the best team. They weren't just they had an awful lot of decisions go for them. There was even a thread on here of all the 'luck' or poor decisions going in their favour.

Maybe we were imagining it? Or maybe not. Following year and Leicester are struggling and Kasper Schmeicel is asked what the difference is. His response? Maybe this year we are not getting some of the decisions we were getting last year.

Decisions do not even themselves out over a season. The top 6 get more decisions in their favour than the rest. Even the referee assessors know this to be the case.

Recently the FA chief exec came out in support of VAR saying it has to be introduced because you cannot have teams being relegated based on poor decisions being allowed. Even he was recognising the impact.

Saying decisions even themselves out or do not make much difference or the table never lies Ian akin to denying climate change. It's illogical and the facts don't support it.
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Absolute bollocks. If that were the case then 2 years ago Leicester were the best team. They weren't just they had an awful lot of decisions go for them. There was even a thread on here of all the 'luck' or poor decisions going in their favour.

Maybe we were imagining it? Or maybe not. Following year and Leicester are struggling and Kasper Schmeicel is asked what the difference is. His response? Maybe this year we are not getting some of the decisions we were getting last year.

Decisions do not even themselves out over a season. The top 6 get more decisions in their favour than the rest. Even the referee assessors know this to be the case.

Recently the FA chief exec came out in support of VAR saying it has to be introduced because you cannot have teams being relegated based on poor decisions being allowed. Even he was recognising the impact.

Saying decisions even themselves out or do not make much difference or the table never lies Ian akin to denying climate change. It's illogical and the facts don't support it.
No Gonzo it is you talking bollocks.

It isn't luck that we went into the season woefully under-prepared with just four proper friendlies.

It isn't luck that our chairman got seduced by some crazy Dutch experiment (having been equally seduced by the fraud Pardew before) that left us with a seven game handicap at the beginning of the season.

It isn't luck that we missed two last minute penalties - especially the farcical Bournemouth one.

It isn't luck that we have known for three windows that Wickham was injured and done virtually nothing to address it.

It isn't luck that we haven't been able to take our under-performing striker out of the firing line when he has missed more great chances than almost any other player in the league, simply because we have no-one else.

It isn't luck that we have the worst two keepers in the league and known that for two seasons.

It isn't luck that we spent our whole transfer budget on a centre back with a terrible track record of injuries. We also signed a Chelsea loanee that had a similar known history. Dann and Puncheon were both injured cynically fouling City players.

Of course we were unlucky with Wilf missing so many games but we have been lucky that he has missed very few games in previous seasons - and that's what happens when you are so reliant on one special player. We were also unlucky to lose Sako when he was finally delivering (and I have no doubt we would have beaten West Ham if he had stayed on).

However, other teams could point to us having been awarded more penalties than anyone else in the league, or the fact we have had no sendings off this or last season. Watford have certainly had as many injury issues as us, Stoke missed a last minute penalty against the scum, etc etc

And as for Leicester - they won the league by 10 points, not on goal difference. Yes the other teams were all in disarray but to suggest they were lucky is utter tripe. They lost Kante the next season and that had more to do with their decline than anything else (although getting to a CL QF wasn't bad).

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this. I believe we have been the architects of our own misfortune.

Perhaps we can meet up for a beer pre Huddersfield to discuss climate change where we might have more in common!
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Old 14-03-2018, 09:16 AM
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No Gonzo it is you talking bollocks.

It isn't luck that we went into the season woefully under-prepared with just four proper friendlies.

It isn't luck that our chairman got seduced by some crazy Dutch experiment (having been equally seduced by the fraud Pardew before) that left us with a seven game handicap at the beginning of the season.

It isn't luck that we missed two last minute penalties - especially the farcical Bournemouth one.

It isn't luck that we have known for three windows that Wickham was injured and done virtually nothing to address it.

It isn't luck that we haven't been able to take our under-performing striker out of the firing line when he has missed more great chances than almost any other player in the league, simply because we have no-one else.

It isn't luck that we have the worst two keepers in the league and known that for two seasons.

It isn't luck that we spent our whole transfer budget on a centre back with a terrible track record of injuries. We also signed a Chelsea loanee that had a similar known history. Dann and Puncheon were both injured cynically fouling City players.

Of course we were unlucky with Wilf missing so many games but we have been lucky that he has missed very few games in previous seasons - and that's what happens when you are so reliant on one special player. We were also unlucky to lose Sako when he was finally delivering (and I have no doubt we would have beaten West Ham if he had stayed on).

However, other teams could point to us having been awarded more penalties than anyone else in the league, or the fact we have had no sendings off this or last season. Watford have certainly had as many injury issues as us, Stoke missed a last minute penalty against the scum, etc etc

And as for Leicester - they won the league by 10 points, not on goal difference. Yes the other teams were all in disarray but to suggest they were lucky is utter tripe. They lost Kante the next season and that had more to do with their decline than anything else (although getting to a CL QF wasn't bad).

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this. I believe we have been the architects of our own misfortune.

Perhaps we can meet up for a beer pre Huddersfield to discuss climate change where we might have more in common!
You cant say that Jack, you know as the saying goes "the truth hurts" which some tend or wish to ignore. As you rightly quote there has been some very poor decision making by the Board over the past Two seasons at the very least culmitating in where we are today, also as we know the table never lies.
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You cant say that Jack, you know as the saying goes "the truth hurts" which some tend or wish to ignore. As you rightly quote there has been some very poor decision making by the Board over the past Two seasons at the very least culmitating in where we are today, also as we know the table never lies.
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No Gonzo it is you talking bollocks.

It isn't luck that we went into the season woefully under-prepared with just four proper friendlies.

It isn't luck that our chairman got seduced by some crazy Dutch experiment (having been equally seduced by the fraud Pardew before) that left us with a seven game handicap at the beginning of the season.

It isn't luck that we missed two last minute penalties - especially the farcical Bournemouth one.

It isn't luck that we have known for three windows that Wickham was injured and done virtually nothing to address it.

It isn't luck that we haven't been able to take our under-performing striker out of the firing line when he has missed more great chances than almost any other player in the league, simply because we have no-one else.

It isn't luck that we have the worst two keepers in the league and known that for two seasons.

It isn't luck that we spent our whole transfer budget on a centre back with a terrible track record of injuries. We also signed a Chelsea loanee that had a similar known history. Dann and Puncheon were both injured cynically fouling City players.

Of course we were unlucky with Wilf missing so many games but we have been lucky that he has missed very few games in previous seasons - and that's what happens when you are so reliant on one special player. We were also unlucky to lose Sako when he was finally delivering (and I have no doubt we would have beaten West Ham if he had stayed on).

However, other teams could point to us having been awarded more penalties than anyone else in the league, or the fact we have had no sendings off this or last season. Watford have certainly had as many injury issues as us, Stoke missed a last minute penalty against the scum, etc etc

And as for Leicester - they won the league by 10 points, not on goal difference. Yes the other teams were all in disarray but to suggest they were lucky is utter tripe. They lost Kante the next season and that had more to do with their decline than anything else (although getting to a CL QF wasn't bad).

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this. I believe we have been the architects of our own misfortune.

Perhaps we can meet up for a beer pre Huddersfield to discuss climate change where we might have more in common!
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That could be very significant and crap as Everton still play stoke, Swansea, Newcastle, Huddersfield, Southampton and West Ham. Virtually everyone else fighting against relegation

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No Gonzo it is you talking bollocks.

It isn't luck that we went into the season woefully under-prepared with just four proper friendlies.

It isn't luck that our chairman got seduced by some crazy Dutch experiment (having been equally seduced by the fraud Pardew before) that left us with a seven game handicap at the beginning of the season.

It isn't luck that we missed two last minute penalties - especially the farcical Bournemouth one.

It isn't luck that we have known for three windows that Wickham was injured and done virtually nothing to address it.

It isn't luck that we haven't been able to take our under-performing striker out of the firing line when he has missed more great chances than almost any other player in the league, simply because we have no-one else.

It isn't luck that we have the worst two keepers in the league and known that for two seasons.

It isn't luck that we spent our whole transfer budget on a centre back with a terrible track record of injuries. We also signed a Chelsea loanee that had a similar known history. Dann and Puncheon were both injured cynically fouling City players.

Of course we were unlucky with Wilf missing so many games but we have been lucky that he has missed very few games in previous seasons - and that's what happens when you are so reliant on one special player. We were also unlucky to lose Sako when he was finally delivering (and I have no doubt we would have beaten West Ham if he had stayed on).

However, other teams could point to us having been awarded more penalties than anyone else in the league, or the fact we have had no sendings off this or last season. Watford have certainly had as many injury issues as us, Stoke missed a last minute penalty against the scum, etc etc

And as for Leicester - they won the league by 10 points, not on goal difference. Yes the other teams were all in disarray but to suggest they were lucky is utter tripe. They lost Kante the next season and that had more to do with their decline than anything else (although getting to a CL QF wasn't bad).

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this. I believe we have been the architects of our own misfortune.

Perhaps we can meet up for a beer pre Huddersfield to discuss climate change where we might have more in common!
Sadly won't be at Huddersfield to discuss climate change or the numerous failings of our club.

I see you feel you know more than IFAB, FIFA, UEFA, The FA, referees assessors, players etc etc and who all recognise the element of decisions going for or against and he significant impact it can have. That's fine you have your opinion and entitled to it.
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No Gonzo it is you talking bollocks.

It isn't luck that we went into the season woefully under-prepared with just four proper friendlies.

It isn't luck that our chairman got seduced by some crazy Dutch experiment (having been equally seduced by the fraud Pardew before) that left us with a seven game handicap at the beginning of the season.

It isn't luck that we missed two last minute penalties - especially the farcical Bournemouth one.

It isn't luck that we have known for three windows that Wickham was injured and done virtually nothing to address it.

It isn't luck that we haven't been able to take our under-performing striker out of the firing line when he has missed more great chances than almost any other player in the league, simply because we have no-one else.

It isn't luck that we have the worst two keepers in the league and known that for two seasons.

It isn't luck that we spent our whole transfer budget on a centre back with a terrible track record of injuries. We also signed a Chelsea loanee that had a similar known history. Dann and Puncheon were both injured cynically fouling City players.

Of course we were unlucky with Wilf missing so many games but we have been lucky that he has missed very few games in previous seasons - and that's what happens when you are so reliant on one special player. We were also unlucky to lose Sako when he was finally delivering (and I have no doubt we would have beaten West Ham if he had stayed on).

However, other teams could point to us having been awarded more penalties than anyone else in the league, or the fact we have had no sendings off this or last season. Watford have certainly had as many injury issues as us, Stoke missed a last minute penalty against the scum, etc etc

And as for Leicester - they won the league by 10 points, not on goal difference. Yes the other teams were all in disarray but to suggest they were lucky is utter tripe. They lost Kante the next season and that had more to do with their decline than anything else (although getting to a CL QF wasn't bad).

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this. I believe we have been the architects of our own misfortune.

Perhaps we can meet up for a beer pre Huddersfield to discuss climate change where we might have more in common!
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No Gonzo it is you talking bollocks.

It isn't luck that we went into the season woefully under-prepared with just four proper friendlies.

It isn't luck that our chairman got seduced by some crazy Dutch experiment (having been equally seduced by the fraud Pardew before) that left us with a seven game handicap at the beginning of the season.

It isn't luck that we missed two last minute penalties - especially the farcical Bournemouth one.

It isn't luck that we have known for three windows that Wickham was injured and done virtually nothing to address it.

It isn't luck that we haven't been able to take our under-performing striker out of the firing line when he has missed more great chances than almost any other player in the league, simply because we have no-one else.

It isn't luck that we have the worst two keepers in the league and known that for two seasons.

It isn't luck that we spent our whole transfer budget on a centre back with a terrible track record of injuries. We also signed a Chelsea loanee that had a similar known history. Dann and Puncheon were both injured cynically fouling City players.

Of course we were unlucky with Wilf missing so many games but we have been lucky that he has missed very few games in previous seasons - and that's what happens when you are so reliant on one special player. We were also unlucky to lose Sako when he was finally delivering (and I have no doubt we would have beaten West Ham if he had stayed on).

However, other teams could point to us having been awarded more penalties than anyone else in the league, or the fact we have had no sendings off this or last season. Watford have certainly had as many injury issues as us, Stoke missed a last minute penalty against the scum, etc etc

And as for Leicester - they won the league by 10 points, not on goal difference. Yes the other teams were all in disarray but to suggest they were lucky is utter tripe. They lost Kante the next season and that had more to do with their decline than anything else (although getting to a CL QF wasn't bad).

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this. I believe we have been the architects of our own misfortune.

Perhaps we can meet up for a beer pre Huddersfield to discuss climate change where we might have more in common!
Hard to disagree with any of this.
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Sadly won't be at Huddersfield to discuss climate change or the numerous failings of our club.



I see you feel you know more than IFAB, FIFA, UEFA, The FA, referees assessors, players etc etc and who all recognise the element of decisions going for or against and he significant impact it can have. That's fine you have your opinion and entitled to it.

Predictably in that brief and unsatisfactory response you’ve failed to actually respond to any of the many points that he’s made above that shatter the illusion that we are in serious risk of relegation merely because of ‘bad luck’.

Yes our luck has ran out this season. Injuries and some pretty poor refereeing being at the heart of that. This can happen in football. Just as we’ve enjoyed good luck in the past in these respects.

The fact is though that if the club had been run properly both this season and for the last few years then we’d be far better equipt to deal with this ‘bad luck’ and survive. How many points swing would having a proper goalkeeper have been worth for example? Or some other striking options in the squad? Probably the 5 or 6 that we so desperately would love to have now. And that’s allowing for the fact that we’ve been playing catch up due to the FDB fiasco all season. Without that cock up, and with a proper manager from the beginning of the season we’d probably be as good as safe by now, bad luck or not.

The truth is people like you are starting resemble Comical Ali in your flat refusal to lose a bit of face and admit you are wrong and that the current owner has messed up.
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Can we get back to discussing relegation likelihood rather than a slanging match, thanks
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It's not like the last few years where we sit and hope that a couple of teams below us don't go on a run, we need wins this time. Until we get that first win, I can't say "We're gonna be fine".
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Predictably in that brief and unsatisfactory response you’ve failed to actually respond to any of the many points that he’s made above that shatter the illusion that we are in serious risk of relegation merely because of ‘bad luck’.

Yes our luck has ran out this season. Injuries and some pretty poor refereeing being at the heart of that. This can happen in football. Just as we’ve enjoyed good luck in the past in these respects.

The fact is though that if the club had been run properly both this season and for the last few years then we’d be far better equipt to deal with this ‘bad luck’ and survive. How many points swing would having a proper goalkeeper have been worth for example? Or some other striking options in the squad? Probably the 5 or 6 that we so desperately would love to have now. And that’s allowing for the fact that we’ve been playing catch up due to the FDB fiasco all season. Without that cock up, and with a proper manager from the beginning of the season we’d probably be as good as safe by now, bad luck or not.

The truth is people like you are starting resemble Comical Ali in your flat refusal to lose a bit of face and admit you are wrong and that the current owner has messed up.
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Predictably in that brief and unsatisfactory response you’ve failed to actually respond to any of the many points that he’s made above that shatter the illusion that we are in serious risk of relegation merely because of ‘bad luck’.

Yes our luck has ran out this season. Injuries and some pretty poor refereeing being at the heart of that. This can happen in football. Just as we’ve enjoyed good luck in the past in these respects.

The fact is though that if the club had been run properly both this season and for the last few years then we’d be far better equipt to deal with this ‘bad luck’ and survive. How many points swing would having a proper goalkeeper have been worth for example? Or some other striking options in the squad? Probably the 5 or 6 that we so desperately would love to have now. And that’s allowing for the fact that we’ve been playing catch up due to the FDB fiasco all season. Without that cock up, and with a proper manager from the beginning of the season we’d probably be as good as safe by now, bad luck or not.

The truth is people like you are starting resemble Comical Ali in your flat refusal to lose a bit of face and admit you are wrong and that the current owner has messed up.

If we don’t stay up some people on here will be so happy.
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