British citizens wrongly deported

[old git]

The father of Audley Harrison (the boxer) was on LBC this morning telling how he was stopped from returning here in 2006 after a holiday in the West Indies.He came here 40 years ago at the age of 22. Eventually he was allowed on the plane .

[Maz]

Originally Posted by Skintagain

The Albert Thompson story. Kind of hard to check on as the name has been made up. Show me some evidence.

I'm not convinced about the deportation bit either when it just a matter of coming up with paperwork. It all seems to me to like a story to titillate Guardian readers.

Let's start from the very, beginning ; a very good place to start.

Do you dispute this...

To prove they are living in the country legally, people in this situation must currently apply for No Time Limit (NTL) status at a cost of £229.
They must provide documentation for every year they have been in the country, which can include payslips, bank statements and educational or medical records

[Skintagain]

Originally Posted by fang

Wrong (again).

None of those are proof of status, which is a problem if you came over here when you are a child in the 60's on your parents passport.

And this little cock up is not helping things:

"The Home Office didn't keep records of those it granted indefinite leave to remain in the 1970s, and not everyone went on to apply to become British citizens.
To prove they are living in the country legally, people in this situation must currently apply for No Time Limit (NTL) status at a cost of £229.
They must provide documentation for every year they have been in the country, which can include payslips, bank statements and educational or medical records".

Source BBC

Thinking about that I think you can apply for citizenship after 5 years. In this case does every year mean 5 years?

As Maz says it would be hard to show docs for every year since the 60's as records simply weren't kept the way they are today.

[Maz]

And do you dispute this?

Earlier this year, the Labour peer Lord Faulkner raised the case of Paulette Wilson, a former cook at the House of Commons, who had come to Britain from Jamaica in 1968.

"(She) had never applied for a passport because she assumed she would not need one if she did not intend to travel abroad," he told the House of Lords.


"One day, she got a letter from the Home Office telling her to register each month at the Solihull immigration centre.

"While she was there on a visit, officials declared that she was an illegal immigrant, had her carted off to the appalling Yarl's Wood immigration removal complex and told her that she would be deported - presumably back to Jamaica, which she had not visited since she left as a child almost 50 years before," he added.

She was saved from deportation by the intervention of her MP, Emma Reynolds, and the Refugee and Migrant Centre in Wolverhampton.

She has now been given leave to remain, said Lord Faulkner, "although she has lost benefits for the past two years, as well as her flat, and has to rely on financial support from her daughter".

[Skintagain]

Originally Posted by Maz

Let's start from the very, beginning ; a very good place to start.

Do you dispute this...

To prove they are living in the country legally, people in this situation must currently apply for No Time Limit (NTL) status at a cost of £229.
They must provide documentation for every year they have been in the country, which can include payslips, bank statements and educational or medical records

See above, I'm no expert of course but I just don't jump to conclusions where things don't seem to make sense.

For instance, if someone that arrived in 1960 could prove they were here for every year except say 1967 does that mean they get deported.

[Skintagain]

Originally Posted by Maz

And do you dispute this?
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Earlier this year, the Labour peer Lord Faulkner raised the case of Paulette Wilson, a former cook at the House of C...........

That seems quite shocking but it appears something of a cock due most likely to her age. The BBC report on it does say that the Home Office had been talking to her for 3 years to regularise her status.

[PaulT55]

Originally Posted by Skintagain

See above, I'm no expert of course but I just don't jump to conclusions where things don't seem to make sense.

For instance, if someone that arrived in 1960 could prove they were here for every year except say 1967 does that mean they get deported.

“It seems to me like a story to titillate Guardian readers” But, of course, you never jump to conclusions.

[SKATE]

Originally Posted by Skintagain

The Albert Thompson story. Kind of hard to check on as the name has been made up. Show me some evidence.

I'm not convinced about the deportation bit either when it just a matter of coming up with paperwork. It all seems to me to like a story to titillate Guardian readers.

It's titillating Daily Mail readers now!!! And JRM has also been getting a bit upset by it all - he's even signed a petition!

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[fang]

Originally Posted by Skintagain

For instance, if someone that arrived in 1960 could prove they were here for every year except say 1967 does that mean they get deported.

You might want to listen to the interview with Mr Anthony Bryan, a man in his sixties who came to the UK with his parents when he was five years old.

He was arrested last year and spent five weeks in a detention centre. He was days away from deportation before he was released following legal intervention and a publicity campaign.

He was unable to satisfy the authorities that he had a legal right to stay. An estimated 50,000 people are facing the same problem,

[Kidofwonder]

Originally Posted by Skintagain

That seems quite shocking but it appears something of a cock due most likely to her age. The BBC report on it does say that the Home Office had been talking to her for 3 years to regularise her status.

The situation is.

Theresa May wanted to create a "Hostile atmosphere" and in doing so introduced lots of added legislation that was meant to, in theory, make it more difficult for people who were here "illegally" purely to get immigration numbers down and in essence, Theresa May's home office was further to the right on immigration than even UKIP and most of her own party.

George Osborne for example, was very very critical of May as he felt he immigration policies were highly damaging to the economy as she was counting student numbers in immigration and denying visas to students who were coming from abroad and paying exorbitant fees helping to sustain the higher education sector.

The rush to get the legislation through and slash the immigration numbers as fast as possible meant the legislation that was put through, was poorly worded, badly thought out and didn't account for any of the historical inaccuracies in a pre computer age in terms of paperwork and documentation.

We keep saying that the government is pandering, the government is listening to far right/racist voices but at what point does it just become Theresa May may in fact herself, just be a xenophobe or a racist, like she was demonstrably a homophobe, based upon her voting record,before her accent to high office.

[Skintagain]

Originally Posted by fang

You might want to listen to the interview with Mr Anthony Bryan, a man in his sixties who came to the UK with his parents when he was five years old.

He was arrested last year and spent five weeks in a detention centre. He was days away from deportation before he was released following legal intervention and a publicity campaign.

He was unable to satisfy the authorities that he had a legal right to stay. An estimated 50,000 people are facing the same problem,

What are you trying to highlight, the importance of paperwork? What should have happened in this case.

[Skintagain]

Originally Posted by SKATE

It's titillating Daily Mail readers now!!! And JRM has also been getting a bit upset by it all - he's even signed a petition!

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Can't get the link to work.

[Ruskin Old Boy]

Originally Posted by PaulT55

“It seems to me like a story to titillate Guardian readers” But, of course, you never jump to conclusions.

Good Lord, stories were in many local newspapers long before the Guardian got hold of it.

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by fang

You might want to listen to the interview with Mr Anthony Bryan, a man in his sixties who came to the UK with his parents when he was five years old.

He was arrested last year and spent five weeks in a detention centre. He was days away from deportation before he was released following legal intervention and a publicity campaign.

He was unable to satisfy the authorities that he had a legal right to stay. An estimated 50,000 people are facing the same problem,

Of course he wouldn’t want to listen to it.

Old Skinty has his mind set on something and overwhelming evidence to the contrary ain’t gonna change it.

Good old Gammon values.

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by Skintagain

What are you trying to highlight, the importance of paperwork? What should have happened in this case.

He shouldn’t have spent five weeks in a detention centre?

[SKATE]

Originally Posted by Skintagain

Can't get the link to work.

My bad - new fangled bloody internet. Here you go!

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[Kidofwonder]

Theresa May's Home Office quietly deleted the legal protections for Windrush immigrants in 2014 without any form of public or parliamentary consultation

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[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by Kidofwonder

Theresa May's Home Office quietly deleted the legal protections for Windrush immigrants in 2014 without any form of public or parliamentary consultation

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Can you find a source in the mail for Skint?

[adrenalin john]

Until you have to deal with the Home office you have no idea. They are a lethal cocktail of incompetence, pettiness, expense and you are wrong unless you can prove in triplicate that you are right. They are your worst nightmare on steroids.

I wouldn't say they are shocking they are far, far worse than that. But I can understand why most reasonable folk see these stories and think no, no, that's not possible no British government department would operate like that. Because no other department would.

[fang]

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips

Of course he wouldn’t want to listen to it.

Old Skinty has his mind set on something and overwhelming evidence to the contrary ain’t gonna change it.

Good old Gammon values.

"If they're black, send them back"?