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Old 12-09-2017, 07:30 AM
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This is not Parish or the players fault.
Who the **** employed him after 5 weeks due diligence. This is totally parish's fault
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:32 AM
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This is not Parish or the players fault.
Most have given their all for 5 seasons in the Prem.
Then some mad as a box of frogs Dutchman comes along and systematically destroys the whole set up of the team, harmony of the club and splits the fan base, is just meant to be left alone to get on with it, resulting in 0 points, 0 goals and relegation.
When you have a cancer you find it early and cut it out.
Thank god it was found early and we have plenty of time to recover.
These players haven't had the bottle to win games at home for three seasons and under a number of managers. There is something wrong and it can't all be FDBs fault he has only been with us for five minutes.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:54 AM
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The no smoke without fire thing is not always true but we have surely had so much smoke you have to believe there is a fire somewhere now surely. It started at least with Ollie and surfaced with any Manager that has stayed around, rather than walked early. I am not ITK but don't doubt this has happened before DeBoer and players should have been moved on by now.

The other thing is that people seriously underestimate how impactful the difference between a liked or an unliked boss can be, the former can be forgiven anything, the latter criticised for everything. When I say liked, I mean at a very basic level. Looks, accent, smiles, expressions, voice, tone. The other thing I would throw in is that having worked in a global business the differences in work cultures is pretty extreme. Particularly around how Manager staff relationships work and communicate.
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These players haven't had the bottle to win games at home for three seasons and under a number of managers. There is something wrong and it can't all be FDBs fault he has only been with us for five minutes.
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Maybe we should make Damo manager, he seems to want to undermine anyone else doing the job.
All rumours. Bit harsh to hang out Damo like this for FDB's failings.
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:00 AM
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Interesting that Fifield said "Other players, it should be said, had no such complaints and felt they were steadily growing accustomed to his demands. The corner would be turned."
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Interesting that Fifield said "Other players, it should be said, had no such complaints and felt they were steadily growing accustomed to his demands. The corner would be turned."
Other players could mean 2 players, 11 players or 20 players.
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Other players could mean 2 players, 11 players or 20 players.
Or maybe first team players who actually had a future at the club rather than some that are well past their sell by date and had been handed new contracts by the chairman?
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:22 AM
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Or maybe first team players who actually had a future at the club rather than some that are well past their sell by date and had been handed new contracts by the chairman?
I don't think there are many players here with a future at the club if we go down.
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:25 AM
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I don't think there are many players here with a future at the club if we go down.
Very true - ironically it will be those that deBoer tried to get rid of that probably will have a future as they will be back at their level.
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The no smoke without fire thing is not always true but we have surely had so much smoke you have to believe there is a fire somewhere now surely. It started at least with Ollie and surfaced with any Manager that has stayed around, rather than walked early. I am not ITK but don't doubt this has happened before DeBoer and players should have been moved on by now.

The other thing is that people seriously underestimate how impactful the difference between a liked or an unliked boss can be, the former can be forgiven anything, the latter criticised for everything. When I say liked, I mean at a very basic level. Looks, accent, smiles, expressions, voice, tone. The other thing I would throw in is that having worked in a global business the differences in work cultures is pretty extreme. Particularly around how Manager staff relationships work and communicate.
Parish liked Pardew, and he had over half a season too long, was allowed to shift deadwood, and break our transfer record several times over.

Parish didn't like de Boer it seems, he was given 4 games, wasn't allowed to move anyone he didnt want and was allowed to buy just 1 player he wanted.
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He was on a hiding to nothing the moment he went in, no pre season, couldn't speak the language, players clashing with fans, owners expecting Champions League qualification.

Inter haven't exactly pulled up any trees since then either.
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Not sure why Delaney is being singled out, he wasn't one of the players making mistakes that cost us goals, or missed seemingly easy chances.

We have made so many mistakes that have gifted goals, and missed so many chances, that I cannot accept it being a co-incidence. I can think of at least 7 players that have started the season umbelievably poorly. some may call this player power, and others may call it bad management, the players are the only asset really that matter for a football manager, so its a major part of the job to get these players playing for you, buying into your idea's, and having a togetherness...Frank obviously failed at this majorly, so better to get rid now, whilst we still have time to turn our season around.
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Some blame lies at the door of all parties.

In summary, FdB should have been given more time to fix things on the basis of that Burnley game. However, his initial approach was naive at best.

The board neglected reinforcing vital areas of the squad till the last day, ultimately missing out.

The players appear to have too much power. Saying Kelly, Delaney, CYL and Ward are surplus to requirements isn't that outrageous. Could Frank have handled it better than how it was handled reportedly? Yes, probably, but if we're to grow as a club then some players will be left behind. From memory, Delaney got a new deal after Sam had left. It's this kind of sentimental nonsense which restricts us.

Quite frankly, considering their ability, a lot of these players are lucky to be playing PL football so regularly on relatively large wages considering their role in the squad. Delaney, Kelly, Ward, Mutch, Sako, Hennessey, Lee and Puncheon wouldn't get a better club than Palace.
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All rumours. Bit harsh to hang out Damo like this for FDB's failings.
It's not rumour. This is the 4th manager he hasn't liked & has seen off. Why do you think he was awarded a one year extension when we have about 8 centre halves? He is the boards eyes & ears at the training ground.

Best example is Delaney with Warnock. He hated him. Remember the Chelsea match when he was determined to get sent off? I've never seen anything like it & after that, I'd never label him a legend.
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All rumours. Bit harsh to hang out Damo like this for FDB's failings.
We're hanging FdB out over rumours....what's the difference?
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Indeed. You wonder why some bother supporting at all of its all that bad.

It also seems that some have never worked for an arrogant clueless boss who annoyed everybody in their team.

Easy to say they should just get on with it.

Far easier for the club to change a manager that all the players.

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A bloke called Coppell used to take part in training matches. Was the best on the pitch apparently. He was a useless **** too.
The difference is that coppell and zola (who also used to do it at watford) are likeable humble guys.

Wheras De Boer and Hoddle are just two very arrogant alpha male characters.

De Boer in 10 weeks at the club managed to fall out with the players, the hierarchy and also the clubs well respected first team coach.

Yet some of yoy would portray FDB as aninnocent victim in club politics and would get rid of the players and the club owners.

Baffled.

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Inter haven't exactly pulled up any trees since then either.
Inter were 17th when he was sacked. Pioli came in and took the same group of players up to 3rd / 4th at one point and he didn't have a pre season and was still expected to reach the Champions League. The only player Inter added in January was Gagliardini, everyone needs to face up to the fact that he is an abrasive, arrogant tosser and this was the right decision no matter how it was reached.

de Boer is a busted flush. If I was any club inside the top 5 leagues in Europe I wouldn't go near him with a barge pole.
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If true about the players, I hope one day they go into management and face the same issue. Will give them a real sense of how hard a job it is and you cant no matter how hard you try, please every player.
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