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Old 12-03-2018, 09:51 AM
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In not defending it. You think I'm defending paedophiles? waddawanka.
I can't interpret it as anything other than defending Asian gangs by drawing a race based parallel which therefore detracts from the headline in the quoted article.

If not what were you trying to say.
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Old 12-03-2018, 09:55 AM
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In not defending it. You think I'm defending paedophiles? waddawanka.
Not necessarily defending them, but you seem to be trying to make out that there isn’t a disproportionate (for this country’s population) amount of Asian people involved in these crimes. Or at least watering down the significance by saying ‘well white people do it loads too, just by themselves!’

This from The Independent article that was posted earlier:

Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away.

“We didn’t want there to be a pattern of people from our ethnic demographic carrying out these attacks. But unfortunately we were proven wrong.”
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Old 12-03-2018, 09:59 AM
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Old 12-03-2018, 10:01 AM
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Not even mentioned on BBC this morning.
Too busy with the daily drip drip russia smear.
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Old 12-03-2018, 10:07 AM
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I can't interpret it as anything other than defending Asian gangs by drawing a race based parallel which therefore detracts from the headline in the quoted article.

If not what were you trying to say.
Its down to the skewed coverage of brown paedophiles vs homegrown.

All of them are abhorrent cunds.
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Old 12-03-2018, 10:14 AM
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Is race or skin colour relevant in these crimes? I would say skin colour is irrelevant but culture is absolutely relevant.

I love living in a multi cultural city, but we can never let a policy of cultural tolerance take precedence over human rights. That means freedom to marry who you want, a right to education, no FGM and no abuse of children - your own or anyone else's.

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Old 12-03-2018, 10:36 AM
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Not necessarily defending them, but you seem to be trying to make out that there isn’t a disproportionate (for this country’s population) amount of Asian people involved in these crimes. Or at least watering down the significance by saying ‘well white people do it loads too, just by themselves!’

This from The Independent article that was posted earlier:

Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away.

“We didn’t want there to be a pattern of people from our ethnic demographic carrying out these attacks. But unfortunately we were proven wrong.”
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Old 12-03-2018, 10:40 AM
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Not necessarily defending them, but you seem to be trying to make out that there isn’t a disproportionate (for this country’s population) amount of Asian people involved in these crimes. Or at least watering down the significance by saying ‘well white people do it loads too, just by themselves!’

This from The Independent article that was posted earlier:

Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away.

“We didn’t want there to be a pattern of people from our ethnic demographic carrying out these attacks. But unfortunately we were proven wrong.”
In not saying there isn't a problem, and yes there is a disproportionate amount of 'Asians' involved here.

However, I'm sick of people using this as part of their islamaphobic agenda yet seem to ignore, or not go on and on about, cases of white paedophiles.

It almost leads one to wonder whether such people are more concerned about the perpetrators than they are the crime.
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Is race or skin colour relevant in these crimes? .
Depends what you mean when you say "these crimes".

It was definitely relevant during the S.Lawrence saga, wasn't it? So it should be relevant also for these particular cases where it was brushed under the carpet by police and local authorities because of the skin colours of the victims and the skin colours of the perpetrators.
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In not saying there isn't a problem, and yes there is a disproportionate amount of 'Asians' involved here.

However, I'm sick of people using this as part of their islamaphobic agenda yet seem to ignore, or not go on and on about, cases of white paedophiles.

It almost leads one to wonder whether such people are more concerned about the perpetrators than they are the crime.
Who ignores that though?
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Its so horrible to read.

Am I the only one thinking that this story appears to have been all over the press for years though and the Mirror is just now sensationalising it?
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In not saying there isn't a problem, and yes there is a disproportionate amount of 'Asians' involved here.

However, I'm sick of people using this as part of their islamaphobic agenda yet seem to ignore, or not go on and on about, cases of white paedophiles.

It almost leads one to wonder whether such people are more concerned about the perpetrators than they are the crime.
I suspect that it's people like you that allowed these abuses to continue for so long. You put appearances above people's safety.
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unfortunately you can blame the media for that.

The Met reported the other day that 80% of gang members in london convicted of violent crime were black, the BBC jumped on it straight away with numerous interviews with people calling the police "racist", even though they were stating a FACT. Freedom of speech is clearly no longer allowed anymore.
No I blame the police for that. The police's relationship with racism doesn't seem to affect their stop and search over the last 20 years plus. Its a cop out, to say the police didn't investigate serious sexual offences, because they were afraid of being called names. Its their defence for what has been a repeated and systematic failure to do their job.

Notably of course, where it was cases of 'celebrity' offenders committing child sex abuse on the same kind of victims in the 60s and 70s it was the fault of celebrity influence. And in the 70s and 80s care home scandals it was the resistance of social services and use of local authority power.

Its nothing new. The police have a history of not giving a s**t when the victim of crime happens to be in a vulnerable group. Racism is just the new obfuscation.

The police have a notoriously poor history with regards to giving two sh*ts about sex crimes.
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In not saying there isn't a problem, and yes there is a disproportionate amount of 'Asians' involved here.

However, I'm sick of people using this as part of their islamaphobic agenda yet seem to ignore, or not go on and on about, cases of white paedophiles.

It almost leads one to wonder whether such people are more concerned about the perpetrators than they are the crime.
What makes you think there isn't any coverage or vilification of white paedophiles?
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Not necessarily defending them, but you seem to be trying to make out that there isn’t a disproportionate (for this country’s population) amount of Asian people involved in these crimes. Or at least watering down the significance by saying ‘well white people do it loads too, just by themselves!’

This from The Independent article that was posted earlier:

Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away.

“We didn’t want there to be a pattern of people from our ethnic demographic carrying out these attacks. But unfortunately we were proven wrong.”
It depends, do people think that ethnicity is a primary causal or correlational factor between race / ethnicity and sex crimes. The truth is there isn't. White, Black, Asian etc a nonce is a nonce.

The source of the problem isn't anything new either; child sex predators focusing on and targeting children in care has been a staple of failing throughout the history of the UK care system - and 2010's isn't any different.

Arguing over the physical description of the offenders, and the need to 'target certain demographics' or otherwise score political points, misses the very key elements here.

The British Child Care System and the failure of those responsible for protecting those kids to do their f**king jobs. The reason why Asians are overrepresented in statistics on crimes since 2005, is that Social Services and the Police were ignoring these kind of cases - UNTIL the media paid attention.
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