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Old 12-03-2018, 05:56 PM
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It still shows a society where men are valued more than women.

Girls statistically perform better at school and more girls go to university, yet most industries are still dominated by men, including new hires.

Of the "over 40%" statistic you reference, that will include violence by men against other men won't it? So highlights my point that a portion of british mens attitudes towards their domestic partners are toxic.
And women against women too I assume. Domestic violence stats from the Guardian.
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Old 12-03-2018, 05:58 PM
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We do not have a bad record on Women's rights in comparison to the rest of the World.

That article you posted from the Telegraph I personally found extremely inaccurate and offensive.
There was another article which gave a run down on the 20 best countries for woman to live regarding equality, we came 12th, and the top four were all Scandinavian countries including Denmark.

Ironic that the Woman involved in that piece of shit from the Telegraph came from a country that wouldn't even get into the top 100, how the hell could she make such a statement.
Be interesting to see where the Scandinavian countries are placed in a year or so, rape rates are massively rising.
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Old 12-03-2018, 06:03 PM
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Be interesting to see where the Scandinavian countries are placed in a year or so, rape rates are massively rising.
Ironic that South Africa is one of the worst but if you take population into account i'm not sure, I would imagine India and Pakistan is up there.
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Old 12-03-2018, 06:27 PM
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Be interesting to see where the Scandinavian countries are placed in a year or so, rape rates are massively rising.
The article I read said they have declined. What evidence for this?
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Old 12-03-2018, 06:28 PM
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The article I read said they have declined. What evidence for this?
Actually, the article I was referring to stated this too.
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Old 12-03-2018, 06:33 PM
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It still shows a society where men are valued more than women.

Girls statistically perform better at school and more girls go to university, yet most industries are still dominated by men, including new hires.

Of the "over 40%" statistic you reference, that will include violence by men against other men won't it? So highlights my point that a portion of british mens attitudes towards their domestic partners are toxic.
You don't think that there is domestic abuse on women by women? How queer.
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Old 12-03-2018, 06:34 PM
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And women against women too I assume. Domestic violence stats from the Guardian.
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Old 12-03-2018, 06:43 PM
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1.Have you read the bible?

2.Women still aren't paid equally

3.We've just had the anniversary of the struggle for women's suffrage

4. Women are traditionally "given away" by their father at weddings

5. Men are traditionally meant to ask the fathers blessing for them to get married

6. Have you seen the statistics for violence against women in the UK

7. Have you seen how much of that is perpetrated by a partner or an ex lover
8. You are an idiot.
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1.Have you read the bible?

2.Women still aren't paid equally

3.We've just had the anniversary of the struggle for women's suffrage

4. Women are traditionally "given away" by their father at weddings

5. Men are traditionally meant to ask the fathers blessing for them to get married

6. Have you seen the statistics for violence against women in the UK

7. Have you seen how much of that is perpetrated by a partner or an ex lover
4. My daughter asked me to give her away and walk her down the aisle. She even asked me to make a speech and listened to my jokes. Not sure "given" is the right word when it comes to paying for weddings though.
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The article I read said they have declined. What evidence for this?
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And women against women too I assume. Domestic violence stats from the Guardian.
Now I dont usually believe the Grauniad but maybe this time.
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I think your point is that sexual abuse existed in the UK prior to mass immigration, which is absolutely correct, no doubt about it.

However, I don't think that's a logical or valuable response to people questioning whether it has been a positive thing to import sexual abusers from other cultures.


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Even though, to a lesser extent, it is a tradition of UK culture? lets not pretend that UK culture isn't a degree of the same thing.
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About 8 years ago I am pretty sure that my daughter about 16 at the time and who was quite vulnerable was targeted by an Asian guy. He supplied her with alcohol and cigarettes and I managed to nip it in the bud before it get too far.

I raised it with the police who said they investigated it but nothing came from it. Couldnít help thinking some potential grooming was going on.

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part of the problem is that it wasnít dealt with properly in all these areas was because people were frightened of being labelled racists and the majority targeted are poor or vulnerable girls.

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I think that these can lend 'blindness'. Humans have a nasty tendency towards a complacency towards accepting something that disrupts their perception of reality. We see this with accusations of sex offences, where in there is a tendency to see the victim as the problem - Which I think fits the case where the individual making the accusation is seen as 'low value' in that community or organisation.

The authorities would likely have viewed these victims very differently had they come from different sources. The status of the victims, seems to have been a basis of disbelief or rejection - Because it conflicted with the primary directive of policing in relation to ethnicity. Had the victims been 'people of substance' I suspect the police would have treated them differently - Especially from a point of distance.

Low level social workers and support teams reported what was going on, but its the distance of being 'away from the front line' makes it much easier to 'look away', and instead be more focused on the issues that you have to deal with (maybe ethnic tensions etc).
Once again I agree with what you say but you still aren't addressing the specific nature of the parties who are responsible. The desire to protect or the opportunity to abuse the victims might be related to their status but this does not explain specifically why Muslims and Catholic priests are the abusers. Opportunity only goes some way to explaining it. We can see that Priests have a position that allows them to abuse and a religious code that creates the desire but if the status of the girls explained their abuse then every abuser going would be after them, not just gangs of Muslims and multiple examples of gangs of Muslims at that. This has to be about them and the culture prevailing as much as the victims. I think only the desire to see prejudice rather than find the route cause would prevent seeing that reality.
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