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Old 17-07-2017, 01:18 PM
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I signed up a while ago to get info from Momentum.

Today I received this Email from CfS, Campaign for Socialism, a Scottish political movement affiliated to Momentum.

Comrades,

You are being contacted as in the past years you've supported Jeremy Corbyn either through the leadership campaign or through momentum and CFS. If you want to change things you have to get involved and if you haven't joined yet please do.

Clackmannanshire Constituency Labour Party will meet 7pm at Clackmannan Town Hall, the left needs your help.

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YOU WILL BE ENTITLED TO VOTE IF YOU JOIN.

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CfS are affiliates of momentum and run the left in Scottish Labour do get involved.


Now this is what so worries me about what is happening behind the scenes within the Labour party.

This is not an appeal to join the Labour party because you believe in its ideals, this is an appeal to join the Labour party if you hold the values of the CfS. This is an appeal from CfS to join the Labour party, attend the meetings at the local party level, so you can vote for the socialist ideals of the CfS.

One of the aims of CfS is;

To act as an organisational focus for all those within the party and Labour movement who agree with the above aims, and wish to see them form the basis of the party's approach to policy making.


Now amongst the above aims referred to are such things as;

To promote Labour as a party committed to socialism on the basis of common ownership of the means of production, distribution & exchange.

To campaign within the party for a democratic, comprehensive and accountable public sector; full employment; socialised medicine, transport and education; common ownership of the public utilities and an extension of common ownership in the banking and financial institutions

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Someone please tell me how this is not using the tactics of entryism at the local party level.

The Labour party membership now have Corbyn as leader, so why the need for Momentum and CfS? Let Corbyn use the democracy within the party to convince and encourage those in the plp to go along with him. Dangerous to allow entryism to shape the direction of the Labour party, and totally futile as it will simply lead to alienating the party from the electorate, just at the point that Labour has become very electable and with a left wing leader. Momentum/CfS realise when you have won and now back away or you will destroy everything you have helped to create because of your lust for total control of the Labour movement and desire to squash any Labour MP that does not share, to the letter, your vision and values.

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Old 17-07-2017, 01:32 PM
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I know, and they have the history of Militant Tendency to learn from and therefore have very good reason to make sure they pull up the drawbridge.

However in their desire to rid the Labour party of Blairite ideology they are turning a blind eye as to what is going on under the covers or worse are actually encouraging it. Just when they are becoming electable again they are going to shoot themselves, not so much in the foot, but in the head.
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Old 17-07-2017, 01:36 PM
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I have to say it is ******* annoying being a Leftie when Labour do this shit.
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Who knew I did mention this a few weeks ago, but the usual ignored it.

The electoral commission admits many people voted twice in the election- students illegally voting back home & at uni

More than two thirds (69%) of 2.9million applications were by people under 35, the Electoral Commission said - but a huge number were duplicates.

But the watchdog has called for urgent changes to the electoral register after finding between 30% and 70% of those applications were duplicates by people already signed up. And it warned it was "troubling some voters appear to have admitted voting more than once" - a crime that carries a £5,000 fine.

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Old 17-07-2017, 11:48 PM
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One would think that by voting Labour you support a socially democratic party so it shouldn't come as a surprise that said party has socialist policy at its heart. I'm always confused by the anti-socialist Labour supporters tbh, they're as strange as the NHS loving Tories.
So you are saying that Momentum is the heart of the Labour Party? My point was that I support the Labour Party and most of its current policies which I guess makes me a socialist by your reckoning. However, I really don't support the party within a party called Momentum.
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Old 18-07-2017, 10:25 AM
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"Naturally, in its exclusive write-up of the findings, the Guardian buried this demographic info in the second-to-last paragraph." Who knew ?
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Old 18-07-2017, 10:37 AM
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What a dreadfully dumb article. It takes no account of the demographic make up of either the country or indeed of the people who join political parties.

Facile stuff. Perfect for ignorant point scoring, but a little short on braincell analysis.
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Old 18-07-2017, 10:55 AM
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What a dreadfully dumb article. It takes no account of the demographic make up of either the country or indeed of the people who join political parties.

Facile stuff. Perfect for ignorant point scoring, but a little short on braincell analysis.
thanks for the analysis
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Old 24-07-2017, 05:56 AM
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All parties tend to pledge all sorts of unrealistic policies knowing they will never implement them. It's the new norm, see Brexit, Trump etc.
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All parties tend to pledge all sorts of unrealistic policies knowing they will never implement them. It's the new norm, see Brexit, Trump etc.
Yep Corbin certainly fooled the young with that one.
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Yep Corbin certainly fooled the young with that one.
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Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and Iím looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden. I donít have the simple answer for it at this stage Ė I donít think anybody would expect me to, because this election was called unexpectedly; we had two weeks to prepare all of this Ė but Iím very well aware of that problem. And I donít see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.

Doesn't read to me like a promise to wipe out the debt?
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Old 24-07-2017, 07:57 AM
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Doesn't read to me like a promise to wipe out the debt?
Like I say it certainly will have fooled the young into voting for him.
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Like I say it certainly will have fooled the young into voting for him.
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