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Sadly, they stuck his head(after he was dead unfortunately) on a Euro coin!

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I think the reasons the Nazi's are seen as worse was they set out to eliminate an entire race/ religon where as the deaths that occured in the Gulag were a by product of the camps not the explicit aim
The elimination of the Kulaks was quite deliberate. There was clear racial genocide in the USSR too.

It amazes me that at certain rallies etc you see young students, or activists flying soviet flags. I actually find it pretty insulting, as I would nazi flags etc. I just wonder if these people have any idea what Mao and Stalin did?
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So because the Spanish conquest of Americas and the crusades in Europe and Asia where Catholics ... their atrocities do not count?

Wow just unbelievably wow.
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The 20th century was for sure the most systematically cruelest century ever, hopefully the 21st will be a lot tamer.

The mid-late 21st century will see war and genocide on a scale never known before. But it won't be down to beliefs or politics - it will be over food and water.
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something i was reading at the weekend that fits in well with this thread. there is some horrific tales in it. I was only 15/16 when this took palce but now thinking about what happened in my lifetime and just a few hours from England is shocking.

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Never heard of this before the Chmielnitzki massacres. Around 200,000 Jews were massacred!!!

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TBH that sounds remarkably unlikely, though it might explain why not so very long after there was a rebellion, and Titus had to kick their collective arse. It would appear that the Jews are still remarkably unhappy with Titus about that (he might have accidentally on purpose burned some stuff, like a temple).
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Just watching a program on Hitler. I've seen and read loads on WW2 and Hitler etc but it absolutely melts the brain that anything like that could have happened especially under 80 years go. The Ghettos, (184 calories per person per day), the extermination of disabled, Jews etc etc.

The mind truly boggles. Such hatred and cruelty (and complete madness !!)

Can there ever have been a worse period in human history ?
My mother was from Austria, so I feel some sort of connection through her. Austria welcomed Hitler when he took over Austria before the war. (Over here, my dad was in the RAF). I'm sure there were far worse periods in human history but the relatively short time since the second world war brings it home. Something that brought it home to me. I remember a photo in an old hardback book that my Dad's got. It shows a circle of people in Vienna in 1938 laughing as a group of Jews kneel, and are forced to lick the road.

Someone mentioned that the order of German society is scary - I agree - like the way they won't cross the road until they see a green light even if there are no cars around. But I think that's just something in their character - seriousness, hard work, organisation etc.

If you had been a German soldier and had been told to shoot an innocent civilian, what would you have done, knowing that you would be shot if you disobeyed an order?

I was talking about good and evil with a friend the other day. He said that some people (like Hitler, Saddam Hussein etc) were born evil. I said I thought there was some good and evil in everyone - I think that's how I see it, and perhaps that's how evil dictators gain people's support and get power. Whereas I suppose leaders like Ghandi and Mandela appeal to the 'good' in people. As long as evil is part of human nature (which I think it is), it can happen again.

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What about the Ottoman Empire's genocide of the Armenian population that the Turkish government is still in denial over?

Or the war crimes committed by the Japanese Empire in WWII again something they have never apologised for?

Both truly terrible and never at the forefront of these types of discussions.
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I think the reasons the Nazi's are seen as worse was they set out to eliminate an entire race/ religon where as the deaths that occured in the Gulag were a by product of the camps not the explicit aim
I often thought that, but the extermination of the Kulaks was a calculated by Stalin, and various ethnic groups in the far reaches of the the Russian Empire were targeted. I think we see Hitler as the greater evil, because of how close he was to invading us and taking over most parts of the World, from what i gather Stalin was more isolationist than Hitler, but i could be wrong. But it still doesn't explain why so little is mentioned about Stalinist homicidal policy. its just a shame for the victims.
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I often thought that, but the extermination of the Kulaks was a calculated by Stalin, and various ethnic groups in the far reaches of the the Russian Empire were targeted. I think we see Hitler as the greater evil, because of how close he was to invading us and taking over most parts of the World, from what i gather Stalin was more isolationist than Hitler, but i could be wrong. But it still doesn't explain why so little is mentioned about Stalinist homicidal policy. its just a shame for the victims.
I reckon it's because circumstances made Stalin our ally when Hitler was our enemy; and the Nazi attrocities were more immediately apparent than the Communist ones.

The abuses in the Congo are not very well known, and I know little by way of detail. To what extent was the cruelty the deliberate policy of Leopold?
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[QUOTE=SteveyHawking]Or the war crimes committed by the Japanese Empire in WWII again something they have never apologised for?[QUOTE]

Has there ever been an apology, or even a regocnition from japan?

This is as bad as anything the Germans got up to

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[quote=Il Padrino][quote=SteveyHawking]Or the war crimes committed by the Japanese Empire in WWII again something they have never apologised for?
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