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Old 12-07-2018, 08:19 AM
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They own his contract and TBH don't need him to play - just need him to keep 'breathing' so they hit the home grown quota. I think they hold more of the cards this time. Typically a player can force a move if they really want one. The only card RLC has is possibly negative PR about their current approach.

Things should be clearer after he returns from Russia. Southgate must have given him a clear message that he needs to play and strengthen his body and game.
He won’t stand for that. He’s already said clearly that he wants to be playing week in week out, not just the odd Carribo cup game.

My hunch is that they’ll spin him a yarn about playing games & he’ll be back out on loan somewhere in Jan..
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:33 AM
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What are you talking about ?
Hennessey,Sakho,Benteke, Luka, Zaha, Townsend, Mcarthur,Sorloth and even Johnnie Williams all have more international caps than RLC. The vast majority of our squad have far, far more premiership experience than him. So how can you say he is more successful than any Palace player ?
He was talking about Drinkwater, but was wrong because we have Schlupp.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:35 AM
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They own his contract and TBH don't need him to play - just need him to keep 'breathing' so they hit the home grown quota. I think they hold more of the cards this time. Typically a player can force a move if they really want one. The only card RLC has is possibly negative PR about their current approach.

Things should be clearer after he returns from Russia. Southgate must have given him a clear message that he needs to play and strengthen his body and game.
Why? If he is not going to play it is irrelevant if he is there or not.

You don't HAVE to have the home grown quota in your squad, however you are only allowed to register 17 non-home grown players. Last September they had a registered list of 21 players.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:57 AM
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Why? If he is not going to play it is irrelevant if he is there or not.

You don't HAVE to have the home grown quota in your squad, however you are only allowed to register 17 non-home grown players. Last September they had a registered list of 21 players.
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Because of the above. So they must have 6 minimum and 8 if they want the larger squad.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:59 AM
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Sitting on the bench for the last couple of games in the WC have hopefully focused his mind - must have been frustrating for him to not play. Let's hope he remembers that frustration...
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:13 AM
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Sitting on the bench for the last couple of games in the WC have hopefully focused his mind - must have been frustrating for him to not play. Let's hope he remembers that frustration...
I hope watching Dier get on the pitch instead of him pissed him off as much as it did me last night.
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Biased probably but I thought he should have been on last night at some stage but I guess there's only so many subs you can make. Felt his carrying of the ball from deep and linking play would have been better than what Alli and Lingard could manage in the second hour as they both looked spent
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Because of the above. So they must have 6 minimum and 8 if they want the larger squad.
I think you are wrong.

Last year they named 21 players in their squad and only 4 were home grown.
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Old 12-07-2018, 10:49 AM
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What are you talking about ?
Hennessey,Sakho,Benteke, Luka, Zaha, Townsend, Mcarthur,Sorloth and even Johnnie Williams all have more international caps than RLC. The vast majority of our squad have far, far more premiership experience than him. So how can you say he is more successful than any Palace player ?
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:18 AM
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I think you are wrong.

Last year they named 21 players in their squad and only 4 were home grown.
This is according to Goal and would think it's likely accurate:

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If teams want to take full advantage of that maximum player allowance, eight of them must be homegrown.

'Home Grown' simply means that a player must have been on the books of a club affiliated with the Football Association for at least three years before they turn 21 – it does not mean that they have to be English.

Chelsea's Cesc Fabregas, for example, having come up through Arsenal's academy, is classed as a homegrown player despite being a Spain international.

Another important caveat is that teams can use as many under-21 players as they like in addition to their main squad, regardless of nationality.

Cesc Fabregas, Arsenal

But some teams don't have eight homegrown players...
Correct, but the rules state that teams don't have to fill their 25-man squad.

If, for example, a club have only six homegrown players, they will not be penalised as long as they keep their squad size at 23 players or under.

In essence, Premier League teams are not allowed any more than 17 non-homegrown players in their squad.
This description matches my understanding. Can't find the actual rules itself at the minute - you would think it would be easy but....

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Sitting on the bench for the last couple of games in the WC have hopefully focused his mind - must have been frustrating for him to not play. Let's hope he remembers that frustration...
Yes, very true.
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RLC should have come on yesterday not dier. However
There also should have been other changes earlier. Kane
Had a weak game with not much either from deli Ali.
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:57 AM
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RLC should have come on yesterday not dier. However
There also should have been other changes earlier. Kane
Had a weak game with not much either from deli Ali.
and Lingard were both ineffective in the 2nd half. RLC energy and trickiness might have broke up the game more and given us a better chance of riding it out or getting another goal.

Camera panned to him after final whistle, when the players were being consoled by Southgate and they where applauding the fans. Did look wounded, surprised as made earlier appearances he did not feature in the layer games
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RLC should have come on yesterday not dier. However
There also should have been other changes earlier. Kane
Had a weak game with not much either from deli Ali.
Dier for Alli earlier to regain control of midfield, then RLC for Lingard as the latter tired. I would have pulled Sterling off earlier too, he looked done by 60 minutes.
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This is according to Goal and would think it's likely accurate:



This description matches my understanding. Can't find the actual rules itself at the minute - you would think it would be easy but....

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It's because they're talking about it backwards, such-and-such number of homegrown players. But really, it's about non-homegrown players. You can name a maximum of 17 non-homegrown players, and a total of 25 players overall. Which means that if you want to name 25 players, you have no choice but to name at least 8 homegrown players (and for 24 you need 7, for 23 you need 6, for 22 you need 5 etc. etc.). But if, like Chelsea, you have 17 non-homegrown players you like, and 4 homegrown players you like, and you're happy with that squad, you don't gain anything by adding/holding onto a 5th homegrown player (except, I guess, the advantage of having 22 players rather than 21, if that matters to you).

I imagine that if a club were happy with a 17-man squad, they could go without homegrown players entirely.
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They own his contract and TBH don't need him to play - just need him to keep 'breathing' so they hit the home grown quota. I think they hold more of the cards this time. Typically a player can force a move if they really want one. The only card RLC has is possibly negative PR about their current approach.

Things should be clearer after he returns from Russia. Southgate must have given him a clear message that he needs to play for a top six team (not including Burnley) and strengthen his body and game.
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Conte gone then at Chelsea (Skysports Italy)..can that help us?
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