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Old 16-02-2018, 10:14 PM
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Clinton and Trump.
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Old 16-02-2018, 10:16 PM
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Clinton and Trump.
The entire Russian operation was anti-Clinton, so I'm not really sure what you mean.
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Old 16-02-2018, 10:27 PM
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The entire Russian operation was anti-Clinton, so I'm not really sure what you mean.
Isnít Trump claiming Clinton had illegal contacts and made payments to attack Trump. A few fb contacts i have are often linking stuff about that - mind you they are also banging on about guns now after the school shooting. I lust say i havenít hone ibto the details.
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Isnít Trump claiming Clinton had illegal contacts and made payments to attack Trump. A few fb contacts i have are often linking stuff about that - mind you they are also banging on about guns now after the school shooting. I lust say i havenít hone ibto the details.
Lord knows what stuff the alt-right comes up with, but there's nothing credible there, no.

What today's charges make clear is that the Russian strategy was driven by being anti-Clinton. It started in 2014 and as well as being pro-Trump was also pushing Sanders and Stein.

Anything that could hurt Clinton.
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To view the link you have to Register or Login - Mueller Charges Son-in-Law of Russian Oligarch With Lying in Russia Probe

"He is also the son-in-law of German Khan, the co-founder and owner of Alfa Bank. He was also the chair of TNK-BP, which became the third largest energy producer in Russia until it was sold to Rosneft in 2013 for $56 billion."

Now where have we heard these names before...
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3 convictions and 16 indictments for team Mueller 9 months in. Working in a very clear and deliberate fashion.

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Isnít Trump claiming Clinton had illegal contacts and made payments to attack Trump. A few fb contacts i have are often linking stuff about that - mind you they are also banging on about guns now after the school shooting. I lust say i havenít hone ibto the details.
Trump is a classic whatabouter when confronted with stuff he knows he's in the shit about.
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3 convictions and 16 indictments for team Mueller 9 months in. Working in a very clear and deliberate fashion.
Rolling up the chain. Manafort is going to have to be very very brave not to roll over as well.
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Rolling up the chain. Manafort is going to have to be very very brave not to roll over as well.
A good way putting it.

On top of this, Rosenstein perfectly handled his detailed speech to the nation announcing Russian interference as a statement of fact. Many, Trump included, fail to acknowledge that basic fact. It was intentionally benign to other parties with talk of "There's nothing 'in this indictment' related to members of the campaign knowingly conspiring with these Russian nationals."

He's harder to fire as result of it, and it's very clear from everything coming out that the dots are being connected in such a way that even the hard of thinking will eventually have to acknowledge.
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Old 20-02-2018, 05:57 PM
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Thing is none of it actually matters unless there is a change in the mid terms as he’d survive any impeachment vote as things stand. You just need to look at clinton’s impeachment to see how voting generally follows party lines.

And he’d pardon any close family members on his way out (or earlier).
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Old 20-02-2018, 06:36 PM
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Thing is none of it actually matters unless there is a change in the mid terms as he’d survive any impeachment vote as things stand. You just need to look at clinton’s impeachment to see how voting generally follows party lines.

And he’d pardon any close family members on his way out (or earlier).
Dems have performed very well in all elections since the general, so I expect that will continue. It will certainly change things if they do. Of course Intelligence chiefs confirmed that they haven't been asked to address the growing concern of voting machine hacking, so that's a concern. One that won't be addressed for obvious reasons.

Trump has already provably obstructed justice several times, but on the investigation goes for now. You're right that it's hard to hold a president to account, but he cannot pardon state crimes and if findings are ever allowed to see the light of day, that may may well have lasting consequences no matter what he does.
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House is in reach for the Dems, but it'd have to be a massive shift to take the senate.
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Dems have performed very well in all elections since the general, so I expect that will continue. It will certainly change things if they do. Of course Intelligence chiefs confirmed that they haven't been asked to address the growing concern of voting machine hacking, so that's a concern. One that won't be addressed for obvious reasons.

Trump has already provably obstructed justice several times, but on the investigation goes for now. You're right that it's hard to hold a president to account, but he cannot pardon state crimes and if findings are ever allowed to see the light of day, that may may well have lasting consequences no matter what he does.
correct he cannot pardon state crimes but it is an FBI investigation....
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correct he cannot pardon state crimes but it is an FBI investigation....
Which has been talking with the fired Preet Bharara.

Anything shady under New York jurisdiction will be most interesting.
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Thing is none of it actually matters unless there is a change in the mid terms as heíd survive any impeachment vote as things stand. You just need to look at clintonís impeachment to see how voting generally follows party lines.

And heíd pardon any close family members on his way out (or earlier).
I suspect Mueller knows that there is no point bringing any charges whilst the GOP retain control of both houses. He knows that even if he finds any damning evidence of illegality nothing will be done.

But I think he is playing his cards well and laying the ground work.

The phrasing of the latest indictment tricked Trump into admitting there was meddling in his election, before Trump was just saying it was a liberal conspiracy. Now Trump has admitted to Russian involvement in the election it's much harder for him to close the door on the investigation.
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I suspect Mueller knows that there is no point bringing any charges whilst the GOP retain control of both houses. He knows that even if he finds any damning evidence of illegality nothing will be done.

But I think he is playing his cards well and laying the ground work.

The phrasing of the latest indictment tricked Trump into admitting there was meddling in his election, before Trump was just saying it was a liberal conspiracy. Now Trump has admitted to Russian involvement in the election it's much harder for him to close the door on the investigation.
I'd agree with this. It's a very difficult political landscape to navigate right now but he's held a good account of himself so far. 'Alternative Facts' have led to a time where truth is taking a battering, so anything he presents has to be both watertight and very easy for people whose sense of reality has been 'led astray' shall we say, to take in.

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Trump in comedy gold. The draft dodger claims he'd run into a school to tackle a shooter armed with nothing other than his tiny hands and the deputy that that failed to do so is a big girl's blouse.

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It's funny, when I was a kid the Republicans yelled about protecting an individual's rights. Pretty sure that Trumponia wants to eliminate every right guaranteed in the Constitution. I can't wait for the moment that he demands the guns from all the right-wing wackos that voted for him.
The NRA will probably get him in a dark room to correct this crazy talk.

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“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida. He had a lot of files—[law enforcement officials] saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump insisted, interrupting Vice President Mike Pence to deliver a line that, had President Obama said it, would have been splashed across NRA fundraising literature for decades.

“Take the guns first. Go through due process second,” Trump reiterated.

Insisting he wanted a “strong” bill, Trump seemed shockingly open to Senator Amy Klobuchar’s call to add provisions about domestic violence to gun legislation. He was similarly receptive to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who repeatedly pressed the president on banning assault weapons altogether.
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Didn't Trump block a motion that would prevent people with a history of mental illness from getting access to firearms?
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