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Old 07-03-2018, 05:00 PM
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They were talking on talksport the other day (don't ask for names) saying that most people in the US don't know who Wilder is, this may have changed slightly after recent fight.
No offence but Iím not taking talksport as a credible source for anything sporting related. Itís sole purpose seems to be providing wanker and bin dipper mouth breathers with air time!
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They were talking on talksport the other day (don't ask for names) saying that most people in the US don't know who Wilder is, this may have changed slightly after recent fight.
They were chuffed they got 15k for the last fight and that's in his home town.
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Old 07-03-2018, 05:49 PM
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No offence but I’m not taking talksport as a credible source for anything sporting related. It’s sole purpose seems to be providing wanker and bin dipper mouth breathers with air time!
Bit of a geralisation (but I know what you mean), I believe they occasionally have credible guests on.

I agree though he's earnt some respect with his last win, and 50/50 wouldn't be ridiculous. I really don't think his profile warrants it though. It's a fight everyone wants to see, but still think Joshua is the bigger draw on their own.

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Thatís not true. Joshua is probably bigger in America than Wilder is. Let alone the fan base he has over here. Also, should AJ beat Parker, he will hold 4 belts to Wilderís 1.

FWIW, despite my points to the contrary above, now that Wilder has beaten somebody of note, I do think that a 50/50 split would be the fairest way now.

Are the purses never variable depending on who wins? For example, surely wilder would be happy with a 70/30% split for the winner (given his apparent confidence).
No, the split is fixed before the fight. Not sure why you think it's remotely fair, Wilder got $2.1m for his last fight and has never made more than $2.5m for any of his fights. AJ earnt $20-30m for his last 2 fights and will probably make a similar amount for his next Parker fight. Why should he split it 50/50 when he will generate 90%+ of revenue?
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No, the split is fixed before the fight. Not sure why you think it's remotely fair, Wilder got $2.1m for his last fight and has never made more than $2.5m for any of his fights. AJ earnt $20-30m for his last 2 fights and will probably make a similar amount for his next Parker fight. Why should he split it 50/50 when he will generate 90%+ of revenue?
Primarily because of the american ppv market. I don’t think there is any apetite for aj against anyone else via that medium and that is where the big money is at. This is why it will be in the states at an American friendly time in Vegas. This is why wilder knows he can demand parity. He may not be a giant household name like aj is in the uk but with his last fight and with it being a heavyweight unification fight involving an unbeaten American, it does huge numbers primarily due to wilder.

The uk market is tiny by comparison at less than £20 a pop in a state sized country. They pay far more and in greater numbers. In summary it’s a nonsense that he generates 90% of the revenue, that’s only the case if it’s here and they want to throw away where the big money is to be made. They won’t in my opinion. Hence why I think aj would be wise to have a warm up in America to get used to it first. He doesn’t need to rush. The money on offer may prove too much in the end though.

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Old 07-03-2018, 10:44 PM
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Primarily because of the american ppv market. I donít think there is any apetite for aj against anyone else via that medium and that is where the big money is at. This is why it will be in the states at an American friendly time in Vegas. This is why wilder knows he can demand parity. He may not be a giant household name like aj is in the uk but with his last fight and with it being a heavyweight unification fight involving an unbeaten American, it does huge numbers primarily due to wilder.

The uk market is tiny by comparison at less than £20 a pop in a state sized country. They pay far more and in greater numbers. In summary itís a nonsense that he generates 90% of the revenue, thatís only the case if itís here and they want to throw away where the big money is to be made. They wonít in my opinion. Hence why I think aj would be wise to have a warm up in America to get used to it first. He doesnít need to rush. The money on offer may prove too much in the end though.
It hasn't even been decided if its going to be on US PPV yet. The talk recently was that it will be on network television. Even if it was on US PPV no one really knows how many buys it would do. Ward- Kovalev only did 150,000 at $50 a pop which isn't much.
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It hasn't even been decided if its going to be on US PPV yet. The talk recently was that it will be on network television. Even if it was on US PPV no one really knows how many buys it would do. Ward- Kovalev only did 150,000 at $50 a pop which isn't much.

If this fight happens itís in the States , end off. As such an amazing fighter Ward never really captured the US casual fan and never really did big PPV numbers.
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It hasn't even been decided if its going to be on US PPV yet. The talk recently was that it will be on network television. Even if it was on US PPV no one really knows how many buys it would do. Ward- Kovalev only did 150,000 at $50 a pop which isn't much.
No of course it hasnít been decided they havenít really started negotiations proper yet. I would wager it will be and if it isnít then it will not be made until it can be.

Ward has always been a bit of a poor seller for some reason. I think a fight to unify the heavyweight division with two big punchers (one being American) will do significantly better than he ever could.
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Old 08-03-2018, 09:09 AM
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Ward was always somewhat of an acquired taste. Whilst being one of the pound for pound kings and exceptional in his way he was usually a pretty dire watch and did little to endear himself to the public. No surprise his fights only appealed to the hardcore boxing crowd IMO.
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FWIW i could easily see the fight, correctly hyped and timed right doing 1 million ppv buys in the states. Wilder was watched by over a million in his last fight and his momentum is building and that was not a unification bout against someone like AJ. Admittedly not PPV but still impressive up against other ufc and boxing events. One other key factor is the timing doesn't significantly damage UK PPV numbers. The record being the mayweather vs hatton fight that was in the early hours. If it's not prime time in the states it seriously damages the sales there. They won't be fighting at silly oclock in the UK to get the best of both worlds, not sure stadiums can really get permission.

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1 million ppv at $80 a time = $800million
1 million UK ppv at £20 a time (regardless of time) = £200million.

Just goes to show even factoring in the big tv companies cut of the revenue, how insignificant the gate receipts are by comparison. I understand the gate receipts for a sold out wembley is £8million. Factor in the seats are far far cheaper than the 20k seats at the T mobile arena in vegas. The difference is probably only £4million and that's without factoring in the 20,000 brits that travel to vegas and spend.

In fact the more you think about the actual numbers the more obvious it becomes that despite previous fight earnings wilder brings enough to AT LEAST demand parity. It's easy to get caught up in the phenomenon that is AJ in the UK and the number of belts he has but i am pretty certain if the fight happens it happens in vegas and wilder will be justified in demanding his fair share. No way does AJ generate 90% of the revenue for this one if they do it the way that makes the most money.

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Well I ended up staying up and watched it. Absolutely brilliant fight from two warriors. If you get the chance to see it do, it was a great scrap.
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