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View Poll Results: Should Theresa May resign ?
Yes , sooner the better 286 58.97%
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A lot of Tory MPs will love this. A tax haven type economy will suit them just fine.

Why wouldn’t they do it? They’ve decimated millions of lives through their austerity measures and anyone who uses the NHS, welfare services and public services generally can see if. A lot of people I know are struggling. The evidence is also on the streets when a huge increase in homeless people. And the Tory leadership really couldn’t give a shit.
You forget and underestimate just how thick the electorate are though.
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A sweat shop of the coast of Europe. And no one will invest here unless they can get access to EU markets.
The problem for May and her party is that they will not be around long enough to implement it. Will o' the people, innit.
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If the Tories are only interested in the rich why are they banning the 13th richest man in the country? He's put loads of money into a naturally mid table business in SW London.
Maybe he backed Remain.

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Old 26-09-2018, 09:22 AM
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Old 26-09-2018, 09:35 AM
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I think this is probably right . Can't for one second imagine the fat cats of Europe would want a serious threat like this on their doorstep. Remainers and lefties here won't like it though . It would create jobs in the UK, piss off the ultra rich euro industrial kings , and show a few other wavering euro states there is life after decades of being strangled by Germany and France. So long as this country can enjoy the profits the tax breaks bring as well , then I'm ok with this.
There is very mixed data for whether these cuts genuinely help the economy, create many jobs or see any benefit to the 'ordinary' person. The largest companies, well, lets say it is doubtful that haven't been using strategies to diminish the take anyway.
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Yeah tax breaks and havens have a great history in benefitting workers and public services.
Have you ever been to Gibraltar?. British tax haven . I've got a few friends there, ex army .. The rent for council housing is ridiculously low 23 quid a week the last time I spoke to one .,They get free access to all public places, ie. Tourist attractions free health service, subsidised transport, free sports facilities. It works extremely well , because the government taxes companies sensibly, which attracts banks, gaming companies and other financial institutions, and they pass on the extra revenue to the people of the island in the form of subsidies. How's Venezuela doing cockney ?
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You forget and underestimate just how thick the electorate are though.
Yeah,pity that it's a democracy if not you all so intelligent lefties could just frog march into power to save everyone from their thickness...Maybe if you got a leader that was more popular than May?

That could be an intelligent way to go,I'm sure you could close your eyes and just point, you would get a winner ?
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He's a Labour supporting academic (or was, his assessment of Labour under Cornyn is similarly scathing), but do you really think that's how conservatives see themselves and their values?

I can't think of a single Conservative voter on here for whom that is true, even if I disagree with all of them.
Question - who are the most important Tory party donors and influencers? The donor class is arguably who their policies have been geared towards since 2010. Their donations largely come from private HNW individuals and corporations. Look at how those groups have done since 2010 relative to others. Corporation Tax? 28% down to 17%. Only rate of personal tax to be cut since 2010? The highest rate. Inheritance tax has also been reduced in effect due to Osborne's changes to rules on how homes are included in the estate. Then look at what's happened to tax credits, benefits, services etc.
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The government are saddled with the problem of doing something about the deficit. Not so opposition parties with their magic solutions or internet pundits that only look at one side of the issue. The money has to come from somewhere.

How do you conclude the negotiation is incompetent. Certainly there's lots of whingers on either side but I really can't see this as a negotiation at all, the EU have all the cards, the resolve and we are the ones leaving.
You have no concept of how economics works either in theory or in practice do you? You have bought into the totally erroneous concepts of a national economy being somehow like a household. There are swathes of evidence from around the globe of how to deal with a financial crisis. Austerity is totally counterproductive and actually makes things worse.

It was incompetent to trigger article 50 (our only and actually quite powerful card) right at the start with no strategy on what to do next.
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She meant that it wasn't in her party's interest.
She is such a tease. Coz she's never said 'no' to a General Election, then gone and called one before.
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"Theresa May will on Wednesday pledge to use low tax and “smart regulation” to make post-Brexit Britain an economic powerhouse and the envy of Europe.

The Prime Minister will tell an audience in the United States that Britain will have “the lowest rate of corporation tax in the G20” after leaving the EU, making it “one of the most business-friendly economies in the world”.

As well as being a sales pitch to foreign investors, Mrs May’s comments will be seen as an attempt to convince Eurosceptics that she can be trusted to maximise the benefits of Brexit as she prepares for a challenging Conservative Party conference next week."

This is the race to the bottom that we all feared would eventually out of sheer desperation, spue out of her gob, to threaten the EU at our expense of course. With further draconian cuts to local councils due soon, and some going bankrupt already, loss of income from corporation tax is going to make things far worse for all of us. She is a selfish cold bitch.
This is already on the statute books. 17% (same as Singapore). What a moron. Given this is already the case and we've yet to be undercut by a single Euro G20 country this is a stupid statement. It also shows a fundamental misunderstanding of taxation and its purpose. Just look at countries like Germany and Denmark to understand that low levels of tax aren't synonymous with high levels of living standards and social wellbeing and in fact the opposite is true.

Furthermore Ireland (not in the G20) is still lower. So perhaps she was suggesting going down to that sort of level. Which would be an egregious policy.
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A lot of Tory MPs will love this. A tax haven type economy will suit them just fine.

Why wouldn’t they do it? They’ve decimated millions of lives through their austerity measures and anyone who uses the NHS, welfare services and public services generally can see if. A lot of people I know are struggling. The evidence is also on the streets when a huge increase in homeless people. And the Tory leadership really couldn’t give a shit.
A large number of recent homeless are recently arrived immigrants who have come here for a 'better' life... both living on the streets and living in sheltered accommodation. Not easily fixable. So the reason for the increase is immigration.
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You forget and underestimate just how thick the electorate are though.
..and on average Labour voters have a lower IQ
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"Theresa May will on Wednesday pledge to use low tax and “smart regulation” to make post-Brexit Britain an economic powerhouse and the envy of Europe.

.............................cal councils due soon, and some going bankrupt already, loss of income from corporation tax is going to make things far worse for all of us. She is a selfish cold bitch.
No, the yanks are doing very well from their tax cuts and Ireland's economy is based entirely low corp tax, 12% I think. Even the communistic IRA want to keep it low, Mary Lou has said as much.

Its one of those taxes that will not result in a loss of revenue. We need to differentiate ourselves from Europe after Brexit and its the only action they fear. We have little choice but to do it.
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A sweat shop off the coast of Europe. And no one will invest here unless they can get access to EU markets.
We will have access to the single market even China has that.

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No, the yanks are doing very well from their tax cuts and Ireland's economy is based entirely low corp tax, 12% I think. Even the communistic IRA want to keep it low, Mary Lou has said as much.

Its one of those taxes that will not result in a loss of revenue. We need to differentiate ourselves from Europe after Brexit and its the only action they fear. We have little choice but to do it.
This is rubbish!!!

The US is NOT doing very well at all from tax cuts. The government themselves are predicting record levels of public sector deficits (trillions of dollars) as a result of these cuts. Furthermore the average US worker will be worse off as a result of cuts to social programs arising from these cuts and the expiry of all of the cuts on personal incomes for lower and middle income families in a couple of years (cuts for corporations and high earners are permanent). This coupled with the damage of recent US protectionism will make most Americans worse off in real terms as wages are not increasing following the cuts. Most of the bonuses and pay rises coterminous with the cuts were already agreed and so were not a result of the cuts and in fact thanks to policies instigated by the previous administration.

Also empirical evidence shows that the cuts in CT in Ireland have done very little to improve living standards of Irish workers. They have created plenty of brass plaques but not much else.

The much vaunted Laffer curve only kicks in at pretty high rates of taxation, as demonstrated by countries such as Germany and Denmark which are better off than we are and have higher rates of tax. I'm not quite sure that the EU is that worried about low rates of tax per se, more the problem of policing the sub standard crap that we'll be trying to foist on them and the issue of firms actually trading in the EU but pretending they're resident in the UK when they're not. This is not good for the UK as it creates no genuine economic activity and is at the expense of public services and investment.
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We will have access to the single market even China has that.

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I think this is probably right . Can't for one second imagine the fat cats of Europe would want a serious threat like this on their doorstep. Remainers and lefties here won't like it though . It would create jobs in the UK, piss off the ultra rich euro industrial kings , and show a few other wavering euro states there is life after decades of being strangled by Germany and France. So long as this country can enjoy the profits the tax breaks bring as well , then I'm ok with this.
yeah like we have been strangled by Germany and France for decades
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