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Old 13-03-2018, 07:20 PM
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Yep, but nickgusset doesn't get how grand the scale is regarding Asian grooming gangs and the fact that this has been going on for 40 years in Telford and only now being highlighted to the general public.

What would you rather us do discuss right here right now nickgusset, the appalling crimes of Fred West?
Yes exactly.
Groups of paedophiles acting in unison causes more revulsion than 'lone wolves' for all sorts of reasons:
  • The sheer number of victims is greater
  • The sense that it should be easier to prevent (many more whistleblowers)
  • Sheer shock that there are groups of people who feel comfortable inviting each other to get involved

Race/religion/culture of the perpetrators doesn't influence the sense of anger, but if there is a chance that it may be the key to unlocking some of these groups, then it needs to be explored. The victims deserve no less.
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Old 13-03-2018, 07:22 PM
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How do these twats get together. It is worrying that friends/ relatives actually feel able to invite each other to join in this sick shit without being worried about the answer.
Carefully at first I'd guess - but I'd imagine that the internet is a primary means by which people slowly find each other, and come together. But there have been circles of paedophiles around since forever - back in the 70s you even had PIE and groups like the Spartacus club.

Psychologically, its an odd phenomena, but people of similar interests often end up getting closer, without actually discussing those interests. They just happen to hang out in similar places. I guess that's a factor.
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Old 13-03-2018, 07:31 PM
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Yep, but nickgusset doesn't get how grand the scale is regarding Asian grooming gangs and the fact that this has been going on for 40 years in Telford and only now being highlighted to the general public.

What would you rather us do discuss right here right now nickgusset, the appalling crimes of Fred West?
I do. I've said it needs to be dealt with. I started a thread about white paedos. Only one person condemned them as far as I remember. To view the link you have to Register or Login
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Yes exactly.
Groups of paedophiles acting in unison causes more revulsion than 'lone wolves' for all sorts of reasons:
  • The sheer number of victims is greater
  • The sense that it should be easier to prevent (many more whistleblowers)
  • Sheer shock that there are groups of people who feel comfortable inviting each other to get involved

Race/religion/culture of the perpetrators doesn't influence the sense of anger, but if there is a chance that it may be the key to unlocking some of these groups, then it needs to be explored. The victims deserve no less.
It isn't - Gangs account for about 10-15% of sex abuse cases. The vast majority of child sex offences don't occur in groups like this. The key to unlocking 'group child abusers' is the victimology. Where ever there has been systematic abuse over periods of time, its usually focused on children in care or young offenders etc i.e vulnerable, invisible kids that society doesn't really pay attention too (homeless, runaways, troubled and delinquents etc).

Savile used to frequent and support several 'Girls Borstals' and the like. The most common situation in offenders getting away with it is that people don't believe the victims or more correctly don't want to believe the victims.

Predators gravitate towards the easiest victims, with the least amount of protection (which is why they're metaphorically called predators). Its why sexual predators with a preference seem to gravitate towards childrens homes, schools, childrens clubs, hospitals, hostels, care homes etc.
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Old 13-03-2018, 07:48 PM
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I do. I've said it needs to be dealt with. I started a thread about white paedos. Only one person condemned them as far as I remember. To view the link you have to Register or Login
I was personally involved at arms length into the ill-fated investigation into Establishment abuse at Dolphin Square, I couldn't give a **** what color or creed Paedophile's are as long as they are exposed and hopefully prosecuted, judging by the link to a thread you started it seems you have a bit of a hang up regarding race, color or culture, maybe that's why you didn't get the response you would of liked on that thread.
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Old 13-03-2018, 07:57 PM
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I do. I've said it needs to be dealt with. I started a thread about white paedos. Only one person condemned them as far as I remember. To view the link you have to Register or Login
The thing is the guy you posted about has been caught, tried and sentenced, there's nothing to say. No one is defending him.

The parallel you've tried to draw is ridiculous.
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Old 13-03-2018, 08:02 PM
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The thing is the guy you posted about has been caught, tried and sentenced, there's nothing to say. No one is defending him.

The parallel you've tried to draw is ridiculous.
Individuals is one thing, but we are talking about organised gangs.
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Old 13-03-2018, 08:05 PM
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A lot of ‘Asians’ getting very peed off about being lumped in with the grooming gang description of ‘Asians’, (eg Hindus, Sikhs) as described by that mainstream media who use the term Asians instead of Muslims for fear of offending. Listening to Maajid Nawaz on LBC (a Muslim btw) the other day who stated that 87% of the grooming gang convictions were committed by Pakistani Muslim males which is 2% of our population. Stop with the whataboutery for gods sake and recognise there is a massive problem with this group. They see and treat young white girls as worthless trash and stand up in court and try and justify what they have done saying as much.
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Old 13-03-2018, 08:07 PM
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The thing is the guy you posted about has been caught, tried and sentenced, there's nothing to say. No one is defending him.

The parallel you've tried to draw is ridiculous.
And he got 32 years for it.

The guy who is involved in this Telford gang who set fire to one of his victims house killing her, her mother and his own child was only sentenced to 18 years in 2001, he was never charged with underage sex or any related crime when he was convicted, when he set fire to the family home his grooming victim was 16 and he was 26.
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A lot of ‘Asians’ getting very peed off about being lumped in with the grooming gang description of ‘Asians’, (eg Hindus, Sikhs) as described by that mainstream media who use the term Asians instead of Muslims for fear of offending. Listening to Maajid Nawaz on LBC (a Muslim btw) the other day who stated that 87% of the grooming gang convictions were committed by Pakistani Muslim males which is 2% of our population. Stop with the whataboutery for gods sake and recognise there is a massive problem with this group. They see and treat young white girls as worthless trash and stand up in court and try and justify what they have done saying as much.
I'd imagine innocent British Pakistanis are pissed off and find the crimes abhorrent too.
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And he got 32 years for it.

The guy who is involved in this Telford gang who set fire to one of his victims house killing her, her mother and his own child was only sentenced to 18 years in 2001, he was never charged with underage sex or any related crime when he was convicted, when he set fire to the family home his grooming victim was 16 and he was 26.
I know. Its beyond comprehension what they've done. Horrible ****ers.
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I was personally involved at arms length into the ill-fated investigation into Establishment abuse at Dolphin Square, I couldn't give a **** what color or creed Paedophile's are as long as they are exposed and hopefully prosecuted, judging by the link to a thread you started it seems you have a bit of a hang up regarding race, color or culture, maybe that's why you didn't get the response you would of liked on that thread.
Have liked.

No one else started a thread about it.
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I'd imagine innocent British Pakistanis are pissed off and find the crimes abhorrent too.
You don't say!!!

I'm sorry that they are pissed off with this as well.
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Have liked.

No one else started a thread about it.
Don't defend yourself by attacking my grammar.

I am coming to the conclusion that if you are not Caucasian you have some sort of misguided loyalty or you are a bit of a racist.
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I'd imagine innocent British Pakistanis are pissed off and find the crimes abhorrent too.
You do not even have to imagine of course they do they are the norm, the majority...There would be no doubt in my mind about this.

No one has said anything different.

We have focused on the scumbag rapist gangs and the police/social services allowing this to happen because they were afraid of being labelled racists.

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You do not even have to imagine of course they do they are the norm, the majority...There would be no doubt in my mind about this.

No one has said anything different.

We have focused on the scumbag rapist gangs and the police/social services allowing this to happen because they were afraid of being labelled racists.

Which has to stop.
I'm pretty sure it will given what we now know.
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I am coming to the conclusion that if you are not Caucasian you have some sort of misguided loyalty or you are a bit of a racist.
Teacher's habit. Still you've learned from it.

Can you expand on the second point...
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Teacher's habit. Still you've learned from it.

Can you expand on the second point...
Teachers bad habit (me) I was teaching English in Spain for nearly 3 years

It's a question.
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How on earth have we got a squabble on this thread??? Isn't this one of the clearest black and white subjects ever? These groomers are absolute ****heads. The racist card is used too much and so authorities have tiptoed too gently and ****ed up.
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