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Chelsea will field a youth team and beat us just like utd did.
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Chelsea will field a youth team and beat us just like utd did.
Oh why don't you just FUCK OFF!
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Chelsea will field a youth team and beat us just like utd did.
What like Chelsea beat us with their first team at Selhurst this season or at The Bridge last season???

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In fact Wigan in 2012/13 are most often used as the example of how detrimental a cup run can be. In that 2012/13 season when they won the cup, they took 18 points from their first 21 games prior to the third round of the cup. In their remaining 17 games they also took 18 points, so again a slight upturn in results and again an extrapolation of that points per game ratio across the entire season would have been sufficient to see them safe from relegation.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the cup run which did us the most damage which was 1976. If memory serves, we were running away with the old third division title when the Cup run began, and as we progressed we all got very excited about fedoras and forgot about the league.

It was great fun, especially the wins at Leeds and Chelsea, but hugely damaging to our league form. Does anybody have any data about our form pre and post the cup run, which I believe began against the mighty Walton & Hersham?
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the cup run which did us the most damage which was 1976. If memory serves, we were running away with the old third division title when the Cup run began, and as we progressed we all got very excited about fedoras and forgot about the league.



It was great fun, especially the wins at Leeds and Chelsea, but hugely damaging to our league form. Does anybody have any data about our form pre and post the cup run, which I believe began against the mighty Walton & Hersham?

Just had a look. I have converted our results into the current 3 points for a win method, and for the sake of a reasonable 'before and after' comparison, ignored rounds 1 and 2 of the cup.

This splits the season equally into 23 games before round 3 and 23 after. In the first half we accrued 43 points, in the second half 28 so certainly a tail off in form although not quite as drastic as I had assumed.

A couple of interesting points from that season. We only lost 1 of our first 20 league games, which is highly impressive. However, our form actually started to nosedive immediately before the third round of the cup when we lost 3 on the bounce in the league over the Christmas period. We ended the season with a dismal run of just 1 win in our last 8 games, yet still only missed out on promotion by 3 points (old 2 points for a win basis), so just a couple more wins would have seen us home. Inevitably, the Weed did the double over us that year, and we only took 1 point from our 2 games against Millwall.
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Just had a look. I have converted our results into the current 3 points for a win method, and for the sake of a reasonable 'before and after' comparison, ignored rounds 1 and 2 of the cup.

This splits the season equally into 23 games before round 3 and 23 after. In the first half we accrued 43 points, in the second half 28 so certainly a tail off in form although not quite as drastic as I had assumed.

A couple of interesting points from that season. We only lost 1 of our first 20 league games, which is highly impressive. However, our form actually started to nosedive immediately before the third round of the cup when we lost 3 on the bounce in the league over the Christmas period. We ended the season with a dismal run of just 1 win in our last 8 games, yet still only missed out on promotion by 3 points (old 2 points for a win basis), so just a couple more wins would have seen us home. Inevitably, the Weed did the double over us that year, and we only took 1 point from our 2 games against Millwall.
Many thanks.

I seem to remember Peter Taylor missing a hugely important penalty in the 0-0 draw at home to Millwall. It was an evening kick-off in the middle of the cup run, IIRC.
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I seem to remember Peter Taylor missing a hugely important penalty in the 0-0 draw at home to Millwall. It was an evening kick-off in the middle of the cup run, IIRC.

Yes, 30 March which was only 4 days before the semi final against Southampton.

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Yes, 30 March which was only 4 days before the semi final against Southampton.

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Many thanks again. I was 13 that season and spellbound by it all. So within the space of a few months we won at Chelsea and lost at Chester!
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Always important to have a bit of luck with the way the fixtures fall. Notice Chelsea have quite a run going in between our game with them. Including last night’s fixture:

Barcelona, Man U, Man C, Palace, Barcelona

Hopefully they’ll take a breather for our match. You’d think with the Barca game 4 days after ours, they’ll be concentrating more on preparing for that than us.
Will rather depend on how they are doing in the league. The trouble is the race for 4th is wide open this year and that's what they all want.
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I have a feeling we will drop in to the bottom three for a bit but then when players come back go on a run that will see us safe. It’s gonna be tight though.
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Will be Safe,before,the Final Game.
With our Last 6 Games,against,Bournemouth,Brighton,Watford,Leicest er,Stoke & West Brom.
We've only Lost 3,of Last 16,against Arsenal (Twice) & Everton.
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We're Not Going Down.
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We're Not Going Down.
Whilst i agree with you, the reasons for me thinking that, the quality of players we have, the fact we always seem to turn it around, and just pure faith we won't go down, should be there every season from now on.

However i also think it is unlikely we will stay in the PL forever, as some point my believe and faith will be misplaced, i just hope and trust it is not this season.

I don't blame others for believing this will be the year. However many of those who believe this will be the year probably believed last year was going to be, and the year before that and the year before that, and IF we stay up this year they will believe it will be next.

One year i suspect they will be right and i will be wrong.
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I reckon we are in big trouble. I think we have some big players who need to step up. Unfortunately, with the exeption of Wilf, I think those players would rather we went down so they could move.
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I reckon we are in big trouble. I think we have some big players who need to step up. Unfortunately, with the exeption of Wilf, I think those players would rather we went down so they could move.
I don’t think that’s true at all. The injuries and fatigue are the issues.
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I don’t think that’s true at all. The injuries and fatigue are the issues.
And it probably doesn't help that the contracts of a large number players run out this summer, several of whom are on the injury list. If - and it's a big if - the club have shown no interest in renewing their contracts - or offered them a new contract worth less than their existing contract - it shouldn't come as a surprise if they don't hurry back from injury.
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