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Old 29-11-2010, 10:08 PM
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My friend is trying to tell me the documents were released with the help of high ranking officials of the US government. Yes or no?
Given how much grief the US government is getting over this I would be very surprised if it was sanctioned.
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Old 29-11-2010, 10:10 PM
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Why would it offend me, I would have to care what the US thinks.
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Old 30-11-2010, 03:53 AM
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Complete lack of coverage here on anything in the papers related too what senior royals say about Iran. But its in all the international papers that are published here anyway. Meanwhile the local press have taken the line "this is damaging to security". Ridiculous, there is nothing here we didn't already know
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Complete lack of coverage here on anything in the papers related too what senior royals say about Iran. But its in all the international papers that are published here anyway. Meanwhile the local press have taken the line "this is damaging to security". Ridiculous, there is nothing here we didn't already know
That rather undercuts the stated aim of the leaks though doesnt it? if theres little in the public interest then ultimately what ahs been accomplised? compaired to the Iraq leaks this does come across more of an attack on modern diplomacy(although seemingly only focused on one nation) any specific wrong doing.
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Old 30-11-2010, 08:21 AM
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I had respect for Wikileaks over the Iraq disclosures, but this is all rather pointless - it is simply publishing diplomats' opinions - not real policy. It is like my meeting notes from client events. What are they trying to achieve? Self publicity or some great statement on freedom of information?
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I think it's rather interesting, and reassuring, to know that China would not be adverse to the idea of a unified Korea under Seoul, for example. Yes, some of this is pointless, and plenty of it probably just confirms what a lot of people suspected anyway, but I don't see it as a bad thing.
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Wikileaks are planning to release damaging files on 2 US Banks in the New year .

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Old 30-11-2010, 11:28 AM
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My friend is trying to tell me the documents were released with the help of high ranking officials of the US government. Yes or no?
could be. maybe not.

The impression which has washed over me (without me really checking it out) is that wikileaks has the look and feel of thepiratebay. IF this were a mock subversive site, it's probably the best way to make it pass for credible.
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My friend is trying to tell me the documents were released with the help of high ranking officials of the US government. Yes or no?
Yes. But the line is that those high-ranking officials were acting out of their own personal agenda, rather than government agenda

It could all be part of a mega-conspiracy by the US government to release (through others) the least damaging of their records in order to retain the most damaging. Time to get the tin foil hats out?
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Old 30-11-2010, 11:51 AM
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In one of the files regarding Iran's nuclear programme, they've released uncensored details about their inside source which will make him easily identifiable (something to do with his previous career as a sportsman).

They've essentially signed the bloke's death warrant there. I'm not opposed to this information coming out in general but if they're going to do it, they should at least make a cursory effort to protect civilians from reprisals. Clearly it was too much hassle for them in this case.
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Yes. But the line is that those high-ranking officials were acting out of their own personal agenda, rather than government agenda

It could all be part of a mega-conspiracy by the US government to release (through others) the least damaging of their records in order to retain the most damaging. Time to get the tin foil hats out?
If, let's say, you had an interest in provoking a war with Iran, then winding them up with Saudi involvement might prompt them to retaliate against Saudi - which could well set the dominoes falling.
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Old 30-11-2010, 01:23 PM
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I don't think there is too much in what I've seen so far that does any major damage to the US. We know that they haven't had much time for European leaders, or the UN, for ages, and I think it's good news that the mistrust of Iran by it's neighbours is made public.
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... and Prince Andrew expressing himself forcefully is hardly a big issue is it* ?





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Ridiculous, there is nothing here we didn't already know
You knew that China was dumping North Korea and letting the US know about it, that the US was supplying the PKK, that your lot were begging the US to wipe out Iran? Why were you keeping these things secret?
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Just seen a previous US presidential candidate saying the wikileaks creator should be sentenced to death and an advisor to the Canadian Prime minister say he should be assassinated...

They don't like it 'up em' do they?
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Just seen a previous US presidential candidate saying the wikileaks creator should be sentenced to death and an advisor to the Canadian Prime minister say he should be assassinated...

They don't like it 'up em' do they?
Shocking behaviour, Palin said equally wacky things today too( although she says wacky things everyday).
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But to make it public Saudi Arabia wants Iran leaders toppled is likely to cause more "problems" than if it was known in house, which I believe it is, and dealt with appropriately. By that I mean its not like those countries wouldnt have a clue.
It is hardly a secret
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My friend is trying to tell me the documents were released with the help of high ranking officials of the US government. Yes or no?
It is all starting to smell a bit of conspiracy. The leaks seem to enable the 'real' behind the scenes concerns of USA to be aired in a slightly all-too-convenient 'we didn't intend that to get out but it stands for itself' way. It says the things that they cannot or would not normally be able to say in public.

So is Wikileaks doing their bidding? Wittingly or unwittingly? Hmmmm.
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Wikileaks have America between a rock and a hard place though, Wikileaks released two encrypted files for people to download, one not so long ago and the other around the time of the war log leaks, I imagine if anything extreme is done to target them, they will release the password. It could all be a bluff though.
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