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Old 07-12-2010, 03:12 PM
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You should read the papers.
Would you like to point to any prove of people being harmed due to any documents posted by wikileaks?
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perhaps you shouldnt believe everything you read in the papers
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Old 07-12-2010, 03:17 PM
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Would you like to point to any prove of people being harmed due to any documents posted by wikileaks?
We do not have the proof of people being harmed, yet.

Which is of course why I did not say that Wikileaks was responsible for people being harmed.
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Old 07-12-2010, 03:18 PM
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perhaps you shouldnt believe everything you read in the papers
'Perhaps'?

It is an absolute necessity that one does not believe everything one reads in the papers, no perhaps about it.

I trust this assists.
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We do not have the proof of people being harmed, yet.

Which is of course why I did not say that Wikileaks was responsible for people being harmed.
It would be nice if you explained your comment then as to me it implied that I had obviously missed something in the press which detailed harm caused by wikileaks to people in the reports.
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Old 07-12-2010, 03:58 PM
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Thinking you can get rid of government leaks by arresting Assange is a little naive. Other sites will spring up, just like how the end of Napster didn't end file sharing.
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Thinking you can get rid of government leaks by arresting Assange is a little naive.
That isn't why he has been arrested, is it?
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Old 07-12-2010, 04:15 PM
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The prosecution, representing the Swedish authorities, objected to bail on two grounds: that Assange failed to surrender and that he should stay in custody for his own protection

Have to say I don't understand this. I can understand the first part - he did fail to surrender (and arguably is a flight risk) but why 'for his protection'? Who's after him?
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Each and every single leak is in the public benefit, IMVHO.
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Each and every single leak is in the public benefit, IMVHO.
How does leaking the places in the UK which the US considers important for its security benefit me?
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That isn't why he has been arrested, is it?
No, but now he is under arrest the US will seek to extradite him and prosecute him
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People in support of these leaks bang on about the rights of free speech and that this is just an extreme freedom of information source.

But on the other hand, what about the rights to privacy?

If the leaking of documents or conversations actively results in criminal acts, abuse of power or important cover-ups coming to light ,that would otherwise not see the light of day, then i am all for it.

But surely no sane thinking person can believe that all affairs of state should be conducted without confidentiality? Foreign affairs especially! That every contigency plan or personal comment should be posted for the world to see. Absolute rubbish. I can't see what actual good any of this does apart from titilate journalists.
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How does leaking the places in the UK which the US considers important for its security benefit me?
The knowledge being made public is more important than the security of 1 person.
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The knowledge being made public is more important than the security of 1 person.
Why?

And why do you assume that only one person works at all of these premises?
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Why?

And why do you assume that only one person works at all of these premises?
We live in a democracy - we have every right to know why decisions are bing made, considerations and prejucides. It may not make you safer, but that's part of the risk of a democracy.
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We live in a democracy - we have every right to know why decisions are bing made, considerations and prejucides.
I didn't think that was a definition of democracy.

All I care about is that the right decisions are made : I don't need to know every minutiae of how and why. And I recognise that other people's safety can at times be more important than my 'right to know'.
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