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Old 31-10-2017, 06:25 PM
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Comment from a Spurs fan on that 'article':

"I think it depends on the structure of the deal. Zaha is a luxury that Palace cant really afford, they need defensive stability, and grit in midfield. Zaha on the wing does little for them. I would think if they could line up a defensive option or two they would be up for this."

What a bunch of silly sausages.
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That article reads like a Nigerian lottery email!
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Spurs can **** off , Kane , Dier and Lloris in straight swap or just **** off .
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Quelle surprise!
Who are we playing this weekend?
Typical scummy Tottenham/Levy leak to upset Wilf
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Typical Levy type of prank to try to unsettle Wilf and the team before Saturdays game. Love to see Wilf Tonk them on Saturday. I seem to recall hearing Levy even had a stake in Selhurst park a few years back. A wheeler dealer for sure. Have to admire the set up he has created at Spurs though.
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Timing probably central here.

Can't see us selling any key player in January if we are still in contact and can avoid the drop.

He hardly looks like a player itching to move!

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Mmmm the value of Wilf.

If we were buying him from Liverpool £70 million.
If we were selling him to Spurs probably a structured £30 million.

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Wilfried Zaha discussion

Nothing to see here.

Wilf’s new deal with us rules out any move to Spuds. They won’t break their pay structure for him. If they did there’d be a mutiny there.

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This is correct. Chances of him realistically fetching the sums mentioned on this thread are non-existent.
In which case, why would we sell him and why would he want to go as by the same token other clubs will not offer him the salary we do and why should we accept less than we value him for.
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Typical Levy type of prank to try to unsettle Wilf and the team before Saturdays game. Love to see Wilf Tonk them on Saturday. I seem to recall hearing Levy even had a stake in Selhurst park a few years back. A wheeler dealer for sure. Have to admire the set up he has created at Spurs though.
The best thing Levy did was bring in Pochettino as manager. And whilst they have done well in the last couple of seasons, they haven't won anything in the last 20 years other than a solitary league cup. They are 8 points off 1st place already, so I can't see that changing this season. I think Poch is an excellent manager, and I imagine he'll be off to pastures new before long.
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Palace have never put a valuation on Wilf since he came back home to Palace and so any figures being bandied about are pure media speculation as to what they think that he is worth and nowhere near what Palace would value him at if he was available.

Pushing the boat out to reward him with his bumper new contract shows how much this player means to the club and our owners and yet still the transfer rumours surface after every great performance that he delivers for Palace and the way that Palace have struggled without him in the side shows just how pivotal he is to the club and our future.

Sure he has a growing army of admirers but he is vital to Palace and our owners are fully aware of this and have no intention of derailing what they are building by selling our best player.

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In my mind he would only move to another London club, which means Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs at the moment. Spurs won't pay him what he's being paid here, so that leaves Arsenal or Chelsea. Wenger might see him as a replacement for Sanchez, when he inevitably leaves, but he's maybe a bit more direct than Arsenal normally go for.
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Palace have never put a valuation on Wilf since he came back home to Palace and so any figures being bandied about are pure media speculation as to what they think that he is worth and nowhere near what Palace would value him at if he was available.

Pushing the boat out to reward him with his bumper new contract shows how much this player means to the club and our owners and yet still the transfer rumours surface after every great performance that he delivers for Palace and the way that Palace have struggled without him in the side shows just how pivotal he is to the club and our future.

Sure he has a growing army of admirers but he is vital to Palace and our owners are fully aware of this and have no intention of derailing what they are building by selling our best player.

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I think Wilf is more part of the repairing process rather than any "building " process after Parish's shocking decision making over the past 20 months....but that's another story
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In my mind he would only move to another London club, which means Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs at the moment. Spurs won't pay him what he's being paid here, so that leaves Arsenal or Chelsea. Wenger might see him as a replacement for Sanchez, when he inevitably leaves, but he's maybe a bit more direct than Arsenal normally go for.
I’ve been saying for a while now that if he leaves Palace, I think it’ll be to Chelski. Like you said, the London criteria, but also the fact that Pedro is ancient and Willian has become shit and will also be 30 soon. Ergo, they need a new winger, and Wilf would also help the homegrown quota. The fact that he’s torn them to shreds recently too means all at Chelsea surely recognize his talents.
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I’ve been saying for a while now that if he leaves Palace, I think it’ll be to Chelski. Like you said, the London criteria, but also the fact that Pedro is ancient and Willian has become shit and will also be 30 soon. Ergo, they need a new winger, and Wilf would also help the homegrown quota. The fact that he’s torn them to shreds recently too means all at Chelsea surely recognize his talents.
True. And if so, we should take Chelsea for every penny we can.
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Palace have never put a valuation on Wilf since he came back home to Palace and so any figures being bandied about are pure media speculation as to what they think that he is worth and nowhere near what Palace would value him at if he was available.

Pushing the boat out to reward him with his bumper new contract shows how much this player means to the club and our owners and yet still the transfer rumours surface after every great performance that he delivers for Palace and the way that Palace have struggled without him in the side shows just how pivotal he is to the club and our future.

Sure he has a growing army of admirers but he is vital to Palace and our owners are fully aware of this and have no intention of derailing what they are building by selling our best player.

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Wilf is priceless to us but at some point soon we will lose him. Obviously if we go down this season then he will go but even if we stay up I think we will have a fight on our hands to keep him. The board will have to show much more ambition in terms of recruiting quality players if we want to maximise our chances of keeping him. Unfortunately, his contractual status will mean little if he wants to go.
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True. And if so, we should take Chelsea for every penny we can.
they tend to overpay as well or at least meet current market values (Morata)

irrelevant anyway, Wilf's going nowhere
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Not sure if this has been posted already, but Paul Hayward of the Telegraph wrote a good piece on Wilf after the West Ham game. It's behind a paywall so I'll paste it here:

"As Wilfried Zaha celebrated his equaliser with a besotted Crystal Palace crowd, it was easy to remember the days when people said he did too many tricks, bought too many cars and had too many relatives in his entourage.

Back then, Palace's saviour against West Ham last weekend was depicted as a raw, ungovernable talent from a tough south London background who was on the classic too-much-tooyoung trajectory. His transfer to Manchester United for £10million as Sir Alex Ferguson's last purchase was often depicted as career-immolation: a premature step into the big time for a kind of mustang winger who lacked the maturity and self-discipline to handle such a step.

Four and a half years on from that move north, Zaha's return from injury has lit a fire under Palace. Even before he came back to score against Chelsea and West Ham, and lift the whole team with his positivity, his eyes radiated the kind of optimism you seldom see in a player representing a side who have lost their first seven games. His late equaliser against West Ham at Selhurst Park was the archetypal game-changing raid of a player who is not prepared to accept a bad outcome and has the talent to stop it happening.

The twisting in tight spaces and decisive finish past Joe Hart was a signature move for a player, who, whatever they say in the England set-up, should not have been allowed to drift so far away from the national team that he ended up playing for Ivory Coast, the country of his birth. Put it this way: would anyone picking an England squad for Russia exclude Zaha's pace and ingenuity in wide areas, his talent for making things happen? Of course not. Zaha, remember, was called up by Roy Hodgson for a friendly against Sweden in 2012 and earned a second cap against Scotland. His England career then fizzled out, and the Ivorian Football Association escalated attempts to reclaim him. Gareth Southgate was alive to the possibility of keeping him as an England player but the pursuit turned acrimonious.

"I didn't really appreciate there was this disappearing egg timer on him going to the Ivory Coast," Southgate said. "He was the first player I went to see when I got the job permanently but he'd already made his mind up."

England's manager also said: "If you don't feel that internal 100 per cent passion for playing for England, then I'm not sure it's for me to sell that to you."

This prompted an indignant response from Zaha's representatives, who issued a statement saying: "Wilfried did not impose a timescale or set a date by which he had to be selected by England, there was no 'disappearing egg timer'. The 'private' meeting with Mr Southgate was very amicable.

"However the fact remains that Wilfried made his decision to play for the Ivory Coast prior to Mr Southgate being appointed interim and subsequently permanent England manager.

"It was Wilfried's personal choice and it was his right as a senior player to accept the opportunity to represent his nation of birth and that of his family heritage. His 'desire' or 'passion' should never have been publicly questioned for making that decision."

Zaha's career has been punctuated by such sticky moments, with England and United, where David Moyes appeared intent on turning him into another type of player, and he ended up being loaned to Cardiff City after just two league appearances. "It was either that I slept with David Moyes's daughter or I've got a bad attitude," Zaha recalled after he returned to Palace full-time.

"Those are the two rumours that stuck with me until I left.

As soon as anybody sees me now, people think, 'Wilfried Zaha, bad attitude'. I don't understand why."

He also said he had never even met Moyes' daughter and that isolation and depression set in as his manager ordered him to "stop some of the tricks and keep the ball in certain areas".

All this might have entrained a slide towards oblivion: a one-way ticket to the where-are-they-now section of newspapers.

Certainly, there was sufficient discouragement with England and United under Moyes for him to think he was in the wrong industry.

But his form at Palace over the last two seasons tells another story, of the value of patience with any gifted youngster whose culture and personality might not fit the old-school English norm - and who might need time to mature and impose his ability on the game.

Nowadays, Zaha is an especially adoring parent who shares pictures of his toddler son, and speaks always of "the team" before himself.

His return after a two-month absence for the 2-1 win over Chelsea transformed Palace.

It restored inspirational talent to a demoralised side, and gave the supporters a match-winning local hero to believe in for the fight against relegation.

Oh, yes, Zaha is local all right ("I'm the most local footballer you'll see"), to the extent of buying the former chairman Ron Noades' old Surrey pad, with its Crystal Palace emblem on the swimming pool floor.

If Palace do go down, Zaha may need another go at being a big fish in a big pool, but for now he is a lesson to all clubs, large and small. Some people just need time.

Would anyone picking an England squad for Russia exclude his talent for making things happen?"
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