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Old 08-05-2018, 04:17 PM
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He has suprised me he has actually done a much better job then i thought he would. Better then Obama anyway.
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:24 PM
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Can't stand the sex pest, liar, bigot, gun enabler but he has done a bloody good job re:the Koreas tbf so far.
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:25 PM
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Can't stand the sex pest, liar, bigot, gun enabler but he has done a bloody good job re:the Koreas tbf so far.
That's more likely the Chinese at work,,,
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:30 PM
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That's more likely the Chinese at work,,,
Agreed. Kim Jung Un's been to China twice, what has Trump done apart from take to twitter a few times?
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:45 PM
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He has suprised me he has actually done a much better job then i thought he would. Better then Obama anyway.
Really???????

He is riding the wave of economic policies that the Obama administration put into place in their last term. The thing Trump does best is simply repeat the message he wants you to believe time and time again, until any other message is obscured.

Claiming success based on the hard work of other is also his trademark. Please do not start believing his own hype. The single policy that has gone through during his term that he can claim (or at least the Republicans can claim) to be all theirs and to have been implemented 100% is the Tax Break. And that has failed to roll out as they would have had everyone believe. Hence why the Republican congressmen and women no longer bring it up as a vote winner during local canvassing.
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:45 PM
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He has suprised me he has actually done a much better job then i thought he would. Better then Obama anyway.
I think you need to check in with reality.

- Destroyed health care for tens of millions of American
- Gutted environmental protection
- Massively increased the US deficit
- Started trade wars with countries the US depends on.
- Running down social care
- Sabotaging the public education system.
- Tax cuts for the super rich at the expense of the middle earners
- Interfering with the independence of the justice department.
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:50 PM
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I think you need to check in with reality.

- Destroyed health care for tens of millions of American
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:08 PM
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That's more likely the Chinese at work,,,
How many times did Obama agree to face-to-face meetings with North Korea? Did Obama have the balls to face up to the North Korean threats?

I agree that the Chinese have been pushing the Koreans into this but Trump must take some credit for agreeing to the talks & his approach on a matter he inherited, which was caused by the foreign policy failures of successive US Presidents.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:16 PM
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Utter bullshit, North Korea will only deal with the US with China's permission. Kim must be quaking in his boots at being threatened by tweets.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:18 PM
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How many times did Obama agree to face-to-face meetings with North Korea? Did Obama have the balls to face up to the North Korean threats?

I agree that the Chinese have been pushing the Koreans into this but Trump must take some credit for agreeing to the talks & his approach on a matter he inherited, which was caused by the foreign policy failures of successive US Presidents.
The failures of previous admins is a fair point. However, it has always been understood that nothing would change unless China was on board. In the past, they were not. So the question is, what has changed? One argument, like yours, would be that Trumps tough man approach worked. The other is that China knows better than anyone the current situation within NK and why they came to the table. I think it is more plausible that famine, a nuclear program that they are struggling to keep up (see the USSR 1980s) and the Chinese fear of migrants flooding in has forced NKs hand. All of these things have NO direct link to Trump policy.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:36 PM
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I think you're all reading to much in to this. As I posted couple of pages back, I think it's far simpler. NK has agreed to talks because it has THE BOMB. The playing field has leveled finally. They can approach any negotiations in the knowledge that the other party (The US) must listen and and cannot just demand.
They have weathered the storm of sanctions, persevered with the bomb and now can use it to return to some sort of normalcy (in their eyes).
Trump has added nothing to NK's pursuit of a stronger negotiating position.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:39 PM
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NK will speak for two reasons

1) China was properly pissed off at them and about six months ago banned Chinese firms from activity in NK. That was serious:
2) they have enough of a bomb to ensure that going into talks with the Marricans doesn’t end up the way it often does for long time enemies of yankland.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:54 PM
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The failures of previous admins is a fair point. However, it has always been understood that nothing would change unless China was on board. In the past, they were not. So the question is, what has changed? One argument, like yours, would be that Trumps tough man approach worked. The other is that China knows better than anyone the current situation within NK and why they came to the table. I think it is more plausible that famine, a nuclear program that they are struggling to keep up (see the USSR 1980s) and the Chinese fear of migrants flooding in has forced NKs hand. All of these things have NO direct link to Trump policy.
My argument wasn’t that ‘Trumps tough man approach’ is responsible for the apparent recent breakthrough.

I believe, like most foreign policy successes, it is a combination of factors and situations. I further believe that the sanctions imposed recently on North Korea played a role. The sanctions were hurting the regime and the regime knew that sanctions could cause civil revolt.

There does appear to be significant Chinese involvement in the process. At last, The regimes benefactor has said enough is enough. I believe, however, given China’s human rights record, that the fear of US bases on their border was of more motivation than refugees.
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Trump's pulling out of the Iran deal. Allies remain in. NYT reporting Trump plans to reinstate all pre-deal sanctions.
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just listened to his intro. clearly pulling out.
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If he knew anything about pulling out he would be $1.6m richer.
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How many times did Obama agree to face-to-face meetings with North Korea? Did Obama have the balls to face up to the North Korean threats?

I agree that the Chinese have been pushing the Koreans into this but Trump must take some credit for agreeing to the talks & his approach on a matter he inherited, which was caused by the foreign policy failures of successive US Presidents.
er he has achieved feck all.
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Trump's pulling out of the Iran deal. Allies remain in. NYT reporting Trump plans to reinstate all pre-deal sanctions.
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