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Old 08-05-2018, 08:53 PM
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Do you not find the vitriol against Trump, yet not against Xi Jinping, paradoxical?

If you do, as I do, then this could, correctly, be described as ironic.
It seems heís right. You do need to look up what ironic means.
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I think it has something to do with the significance of relationship between the USA and the UK. China is somewhat remote and distant in terms of British relationships.

I don't think its paradoxical, a bit hypocritical maybe. The difference is that Xi Jinping isn't a regular part of British Citizens lives.
Given industrial Chinaís role in the world, I believe it naive, or ignorant, to state that Xi Jinping isnít a regular part of British subjects lives.

He is but this is not acknowledged.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:57 PM
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Do you not find the vitriol against Trump, yet not against Xi Jinping, paradoxical?

If you do, as I do, then this could, correctly, be described as ironic.
Paradoxical and ironic mean two completely different things.

And no, I don’t find the vitriol against Trump at all surprising: the US is meant (unlike China) to be a key ally of the West. And we hold them to Western standards.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:58 PM
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It seems heís right. You do need to look up what ironic means.
You donít think there is something self contradictory in being outspoken in condemnation of Trump, yet remaining silent on Xi Jinping?

You look up what ironic means.
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You donít think there is something self contradictory in being outspoken in condemnation of Trump, yet remaining silent on Xi Jinping?

You look up what ironic means.
It certainly doesnít mean contradictory.
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You donít think there is something self contradictory in being outspoken in condemnation of Trump, yet remaining silent on Xi Jinping?

You look up what ironic means.
What you are describing, if youíre right which is less than certain as China comes in for itsí fair share of condemnation, is hypocrisy.
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Paradoxical and ironic mean two completely different things.
Grammar rules are descriptive, not prescriptive.

Furthermore, I believe that you are being an arse for the sake of being an arse.
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Old 08-05-2018, 09:06 PM
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So not only is Trump going to re-impose sanctions on Iran, he has threatened to punish companies from the rest of the countries involved in the agreement, including us, if we continue to assist and trade with Iran under the terms of the current agreement.
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Old 08-05-2018, 09:10 PM
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Not going to defend Trump here but if other countries don't want to be economically dependent upon exporting vast amounts to the US then perhaps they should create more domestic demand at home themselves?
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Old 08-05-2018, 09:11 PM
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As soon as that psycho john bolton came back into the fold the iran deal was always toast.
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Old 08-05-2018, 09:19 PM
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Not going to defend Trump here but if other countries don't want to be economically dependent upon exporting vast amounts to the US then perhaps they should create more domestic demand at home themselves?
...and doing it more efficiently and effectively by being a member of the EU.

We now see the future with Trump's America. No compromise, no consideration of the needs and well being of their partners, and only hard bargains in prospect. I say let them be happy in their isolation and keep it that way until Trump is removed.
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So not only is Trump going to re-impose sanctions on Iran, he has threatened to punish companies from the rest of the countries involved in the agreement, including us, if we continue to assist and trade with Iran under the terms of the current agreement.
Is Iran really "the leading state sponsor of terror"? I thought that was your lot, Donald.
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Is Iran really "the leading state sponsor of terror"? I thought that was your lot, Donald.
The view tonight is that Trump has handed Putin a new mid-Atlantic rift greater than anything he could have possibly engineered.
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...and doing it more efficiently and effectively by being a member of the EU.

We now see the future with Trump's America. No compromise, no consideration of the needs and well being of their partners, and only hard bargains in prospect. I say let them be happy in their isolation and keep it that way until Trump is removed.
Sure. They have a gigantic trade deficit and serious regional inequality. They need to create jobs in their own blue collar regions rather than worry about importing more from a country like us who also have an unsustainable trade defict.
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Trump is difficult to understand at the best of times other than being consistently Trump centric.

So with battles on so many fronts he has picked a fight with Iran Ďnowí? Even allowing for this being a potential distraction from his personal issues for 5 mins or so why?

Problems with Russia, North Korea, etc etc and he unilaterally stokes up the Iran hornetís nest. Even if his view on the Ďdealí was 100% correct why stir it now and prove to the world that the US canít be trusted with its commitments to deals just before meeting NK? At the same time make the USí insularity pretty concrete as he ignores all other Leaders.

Well at least Stormy isnít the headline tonight but ........
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The view tonight is that Trump has handed Putin a new mid-Atlantic rift greater than anything he could have possibly engineered.
He certainly seems to really hate the Iranians. Or possibly really loves the Israelis I wonder what will happen now. I doubt our rudderless leadership will do anything controversial.
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His modus operandi appears to be:

1) Pick a fight, then back down and say that he's fixed it
2) Erect barriers
3) Dismantle agreements
4) Proclaim any opposing view or critique to be fake or criminal

It's all negative, 18 months in and he has created absolutely nothing
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His modus operandi appears to be:

1) Pick a fight, then back down and say that he's fixed it
2) Erect barriers
3) Dismantle agreements
4) Proclaim any opposing view or critique to be fake or criminal

It's all negative, 18 months in and he has created absolutely nothing
Well it would appear he is going to create a lot of uranium enrichment in Iran because I don’t see that the EU will (or maybe even can) offer Iran enough to keep them in the deal.
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He certainly seems to really hate the Iranians. Or possibly really loves the Israelis I wonder what will happen now. I doubt our rudderless leadership will do anything controversial.
I do think think this is a significant part of the decision for Trump to rip up the Iran deal.
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I doubt he gives a flying **** about the Israelis tbh. But he definitely gives a flying **** about Americans who give a flying **** about the Israelis.
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