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If you are interested in this action, can I suggest, IMO, the best book on the subject by Neil Barber. And only 0.99p on Kindle at present.

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I've just started reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History by William Shirer. I would highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the events that gave rise to WWII. The book was written a long time ago (in 1960) but the author was based in Germany in the period leading to the war so writes with first hand experience of many of the events he describes.

It's brilliantly written and despite its length, easy to read and accessible.
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Liked his first two re Stalingrad and Berlin.

D-Day has some holes.
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So many comments on here ignore the obvious fact that the war was fought in actual time that required a response as events unfolded not with the benefit of hindsight.

I am not at all convinced that any German invasion would have been via the English channel. We had radio stations and coastal information lookouts including my relatives on duty around the coast throughout the war.

My family including elder brother felt that East Anglia despite enormous English and American air power would be a possible invasion point.
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I've just started reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History by William Shirer. I would highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the events that gave rise to WWII. The book was written a long time ago (in 1960) but the author was based in Germany in the period leading to the war so writes with first hand experience of many of the events he describes.

It's brilliantly written and despite its length, easy to read and accessible.

Thanks for the tip.
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This is a good read, covering some angles that don't often get explored as much.

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Without naval and complete air control the Germans would have struggled to keep supply routes open even if they had achieved a landing and beach head.
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My family including elder brother felt that East Anglia despite enormous English and American air power would be a possible invasion point.

Are you suggesting East Anglia was a possible invasion point from German Forces in 1943?
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Liked his first two re Stalingrad and Berlin.

D-Day has some holes.
Just fnished the Ardennes one and he does seem to have a dislike of Montgomery. Im not as knowledgeable as you are, but found them(as all of his others) easily readable and very revealing.
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Are you suggesting East Anglia was a possible invasion point from German Forces in 1943?
No, his older brother and family thought it.
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Are you suggesting East Anglia was a possible invasion point from German Forces in 1943?
I've always wondered why they didn't earmark the Isle of Wight.
Perfect for building up their forces and getting a foothold.
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I've always wondered why they didn't earmark the Isle of Wight.
Perfect for building up their forces and getting a foothold.
Because we would have bombed the **** out of them.
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The key to amphibious warfare is get ashore quickly, in force (with air/naval cover etc etc).

The IOW would have added another step in that process, delaying and enabling counter attack/build up of defensive forces.

The other is Portsmouth/Southampton were amongst the most heavily defended in the UK.
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Just fnished the Ardennes one and he does seem to have a dislike of Montgomery. Im not as knowledgeable as you are, but found them(as all of his others) easily readable and very revealing.

Beevor is easily readable and I enjoy that. Hes just dropped off a bit re accuracy IMO.

Ambrose was readable too, but not to be taken seriously as historical records.
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So many comments on here ignore the obvious fact that the war was fought in actual time that required a response as events unfolded not with the benefit of hindsight.

I am not at all convinced that any German invasion would have been via the English channel. We had radio stations and coastal information lookouts including my relatives on duty around the coast throughout the war.

My family including elder brother felt that East Anglia despite enormous English and American air power would be a possible invasion point.
Re East Anglia, apart from Ipswich what other ports are there?
I know D-Day managed without taking St Malo and Cherbourg for a few weeks but at least they were there to be taken.
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The key to amphibious warfare is get ashore quickly, in force (with air/naval cover etc etc).

The IOW would have added another step in that process, delaying and enabling counter attack/build up of defensive forces.

The other is Portsmouth/Southampton were amongst the most heavily defended in the UK.
Yes, I get that, but they could get ashore quickly there and have immediate use of two airfields.
I should imagine that Churchill and Harris would also have had a hard time persuading anyone that bombing your own civilian population was the way to go. IOW would have been a decent staging post, though certainly not a walk in the park.
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Yes, I get that, but they could get ashore quickly there and have immediate use of two airfields.
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They wouldn't have lasted long.
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They wouldn't have lasted long.
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Bombers. Easy to take out a runway, especially because fighter escort would have been so easy.

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Thought I'd start a specific thread, as this has been a refreshing off-topic debate recently within other threads.

Some questions raised thus far;

1) was Great Britain actually in danger of being successfully invaded in 1940?

2) who had the most powerful naval forces?

Feel free to widen the debate.

I'll start by adding my post re the Battle of Britain.

1 No. The Germans never had the equipment to carry out an amphibious operation. Their 'plan' called for the uae of converted river barges to transport troops and horses (most German artillery was horse drawn). Most of these didn't have engines and would have to be towed by tugs. Overall the invasion 'fleet' would barely be able to go faster than the tides in the channel. The prospect of many German troops actually making it ashore was unlikely even without the activities of the RN and RAF.

2 Britain, but that is largely irrelevant. After Dunkirk the German Navy barely existed. Most of their ships had either been sunk or seriously damaged in the invasion of Norway. The RN didn't need the large ships of the Home Fleet. There were destroyers stationed st Portsmouth and Harwich plus the light forces, MTBs etc. The RN had over 500 armed trawlers which would have been used to flood the channel. Slow moving barges wouldn't have stood a chance.
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